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kim wrote:
Oscar wrote: Do you drive a Volvo kim? no. no i don't. there are plenty of folks who drive really badly in locally made cars. its just so much easier to target a minority of drivers who drive some foreign tank tho. kim Oh but there is really badly and then there is really badly. WHen my friend Jane... (and jane do u still want that powerpoint presentation) got rid of her 144 and got a barina she improved maybe 500 percent. Made it all the way up to terrible. Sorry Janey.. you know its true Dave |
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Dave wrote:
When you talk to these mums.. the main reason they have a 4wd is so darling child will be safe.. from other mums in 4wds praps all these mums should just get volvos. then they will be safe and it'll be a whole lot easier to spot. and it'll also make prados and pajeros easier to outlaw as pointless poluting status symbols. or show ponys as my wife calls them =) kim |
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Kim Hawtin Wrote: Dave wrote: When you talk to these mums.. the main reason they have a 4wd is so darling child will be safe.. from other mums in 4wds praps all these mums should just get volvos. then they will be safe and it'll be a whole lot easier to spot. and it'll also make prados and pajeros easier to outlaw as pointless poluting status symbols. or show ponys as my wife calls them =) kim they're Urban Assault Vehicles in our house:- -- ProfTournesol |
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ProfTournesol wrote:
Kim Hawtin Wrote: and it'll also make prados and pajeros easier to outlaw as pointless poluting status symbols. or show ponys as my wife calls them =) they're Urban Assault Vehicles in our house:-) I don't quite get the 'pointless poluting status symbols' bit. Could some-one please explain to me why my wife's 2.0 litre RAV4 consuming 10 litres /100 km is antisocial, yet my daughter in law's 5.7 litre Commodore Wagon consuming who knows what is socially acceptable. There are many all Wheel drive vehicles out there which are shorter, lighter, and consume less fuel than the average Falcodore. Theo Owning a Ford Courier 2.6 litre ute. |
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On 2005-02-21, Theo Bekkers wrote:
I don't quite get the 'pointless poluting status symbols' bit. Could some-one please explain to me why my wife's 2.0 litre RAV4 consuming 10 litres /100 km is antisocial, yet my daughter in law's 5.7 litre Commodore Wagon consuming who knows what is socially acceptable. There are many all Wheel drive vehicles out there which are shorter, lighter, and consume less fuel than the average Falcodore. From my point of view, the issue is one of visibility. Assume for the sake of discussion that I'm driving around town in my two litre Holden Vectra sedan. I like to be able to see what's happening ahead of me. Depending on how much I'm focusing on my driving, I'm watching between 1 and 5 or 6 cars in front of me, so I can react to things well in front of me before they propagate back to me. This is an Extremely Useful skill to cultivate, because it means if there's a multi-car bingle up ahead, you have that much more time to react and possibly avoid becoming a part of it. If I'm stuck behind something that has a 4WD form factor -- such as a RAV4 -- then I can only react to what the RAV4 does. I am relying upon the driver of the RAV4 having good reflexes and anticipating what the traffic ahead is doing, because I am blind -- the RAV4 is blocking my vision of what I like to see happening ahead. You can argue that I should leave an adequate braking distance, and I try to do that. However, when you're on the freeway in peak hour traffic (but flowing smoothly), trying to leave a two to three second gap is basically inviting the morons in the next lane over to jump in to try to shave a millisecond off their transit time. This leads to me slowing down even further to try to maintain the gap, and more and more people jumping into the gap, rending the whole damn thing a useless exercise. So to be completely fair, half the problem is the shape and size of the vehicle blocking my view; the other half is people not understanding the physics of driving and assuming that they can stop at the drop of a hat. It Ain't So, and I need to drive to cater for people not understanding that It Ain't So. Having a hulking great big four wheel drive in front of me precludes that. So it's not so much the polluting part as it is the safety part, at least for me. -- My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me, and the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet". |
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Theo Bekkers wrote:
I don't quite get the 'pointless poluting status symbols' bit. Could some-one please explain to me why my wife's 2.0 litre RAV4 consuming 10 litres /100 km is antisocial, yet my daughter in law's 5.7 litre Commodore Wagon consuming who knows what is socially acceptable. 16.5l/100km according to: http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_1590/...popularArticle There are many all Wheel drive vehicles out there which are shorter, lighter, and consume less fuel than the average Falcodore. I don't like the large 4wd's due to their size. I can't see over them. When driving behind one, it's harder to see around it at the traffic ahead, which makes 'braking easy, early' harder. Sure, "4WD" can refer to a 'family car-sized' Subaru wagon or similar but I'm refering to the big "tanks" that are totally unnecessary around Melbourne. hippy |
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Theo Bekkers wrote: I don't quite get the 'pointless poluting status symbols' bit. Could some-one please explain to me why my wife's 2.0 litre RAV4 consumin 10 litres /100 km is antisocial, yet my daughter in law's 5.7 litr Commodore Wagon consuming who knows what is socially acceptable. We could start on Conformodore drivers as well if you want Theo. So far the debate has been about bicycle safety, not environmenta vandalism. Hippy's link references this quote: "but - even durin light-footed urban saunters - you won't get better than 16.5-litres pe 100 clicks." Me thinks if you're buying a 5.7L Conformadore, you're not the type o person who then drives it efficiently -- Shabby |
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Stuart Lamble wrote:
From my point of view, the issue is one of visibility. Assume for the sake of discussion that I'm driving around town in my two litre Holden Vectra sedan. I like to be able to see what's happening ahead of me. Depending on how much I'm focusing on my driving, I'm watching between 1 and 5 or 6 cars in front of me, so I can react to things well in front of me before they propagate back to me. This is an Extremely Useful skill to cultivate, because it means if there's a multi-car bingle up ahead, you have that much more time to react and possibly avoid becoming a part of it. If I'm stuck behind something that has a 4WD form factor -- such as a RAV4 -- then I can only react to what the RAV4 does. I am relying upon the driver of the RAV4 having good reflexes and anticipating what the traffic ahead is doing, because I am blind -- the RAV4 is blocking my vision of what I like to see happening ahead. So why are you not bitching and whining about semis and trying to get them banned? Surely much worse than a RAV4 to see over or around. You can argue that I should leave an adequate braking distance, and I try to do that. Yes. You think it fair to blame the 4WD form factor driver for your lack of sensible driving practice? So to be completely fair, half the problem is the shape and size of the vehicle blocking my view; the other half is people not understanding the physics of driving and assuming that they can stop at the drop of a hat. It Ain't So, and I need to drive to cater for people not understanding that It Ain't So. Having a hulking great big four wheel drive in front of me precludes that. Again, how do you feel about trucks? Theo |
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hippy wrote:
Theo Bekkers wrote: yet my daughter in law's 5.7 litre Commodore Wagon consuming who knows what is socially acceptable. 16.5l/100km according to: http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_1590/...popularArticle Thank you. Hmmm, the same as a 3.5 litre Holden Rodeo ute. There are many all Wheel drive vehicles out there which are shorter, lighter, and consume less fuel than the average Falcodore. I don't like the large 4wd's due to their size. I can't see over them. When driving behind one, it's harder to see around it at the traffic ahead, which makes 'braking easy, early' harder. Sure, "4WD" can refer to a 'family car-sized' Subaru wagon or similar but I'm refering to the big "tanks" that are totally unnecessary around Melbourne. How do you feel about delivery vans, trucks and buses? Surely a bigger problem than a little RAV4? Theo |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 at 23:50 GMT, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: ProfTournesol wrote: Kim Hawtin Wrote: and it'll also make prados and pajeros easier to outlaw as pointless poluting status symbols. or show ponys as my wife calls them =) they're Urban Assault Vehicles in our house:-) I don't quite get the 'pointless poluting status symbols' bit. Could some-one please explain to me why my wife's 2.0 litre RAV4 consuming 10 litres /100 km is antisocial, yet my daughter in law's 5.7 litre Commodore 500km costs 50 litres? Damn, my little colt would get up to Mildura on less far than a tank of petrol. A tank being $25 or so, and hence maybe 35L or so. And it was 20 years old, so not all that fuel efficient. Wagon consuming who knows what is socially acceptable. There are many all Who said Commodores are socially acceptable? They are the cars I usually stay clear of because of the morons typically inside them. Just like my next door neighbour. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ MacOSX: Sort of like a pedigree persian cat. Very sleek, very sexy, but a little too prone to going cross-eyed, biting you on your thumb and then throwing up on your trousers. -- Jim @ ASR |
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