Stolen Bike

On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 15:27:28 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 07/08/2018 09:17, Peter Keller wrote:
On 06.08.2018 20:02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:16:17 +0100, Bod wrote:


He can afford a car yet uses a bicycle, that's gross stupidity.
Thanks greatly for the excellent compliment coming from YOU.
My bike is an excellent convenient healthy exhilarating convenient
economical viable means of transport.
It really is a very great compliment to be called grossly stupid by
YOU.
Especially by YOU.
And I have no ****ing interest in looking good in YOUR eyes.
After all I ride a bicycle.
And we all know what YOU think of bicyclists. You think they are the
****witted pits of humanity.
And because it is YOU who think that, that is an extremely great
compliment.
We must be doing something right.

Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers, as if
the two groups were such polar opposites that they could never cross
in a Venn diagram. But according to new research, people who cycle
the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are also
disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be well
educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per year and
shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report, Bicycles in the UK
2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey

I guess the Guardian is wrong then, or cyclists wouldn't yell at
drivers all the time.
I don't yell at drivers all the time.
I use my voice like a car uses (or is supposed to use) a horn; as a
warning that unless someone does some kind of avoiding manoeuvre, a
clash may happen.

That is not the purpose of a motor vehicle horn.

It is intended only to alert other road-users to one's presence.

Er no. It means "You ****ing arsehole, why the hell didn't you indicate?!"

It is not intended to convey the message: "Get out of my way or there
might be a crash". I such circumstances, you are supposed to slow down
or stop.

I don't, I drive as close as possible to the vehicle without touching
them, this scares them into not doing it again, therefore making the roads
safer.

Since horns are rarely, if ever, used for their legallt-intended
purpose, my view - for a long time - has been that rather than being a
C&U requirement, they should be banned except for the ones used on
official emergency vehicles.

I used mine this afternoon. Someone was pulling out of a large layby next
to some shops on the main road through the town next to mine. She (of
course it was a woman) decided to reverse out (right across the road to go
the other way) into a busy main road without looking. I used my horn to
tell her she was a ****ing plonker, then since she ignored me I swerved
round her. The car behind me did an emergency stop, then I saw his fist
come out of his window. I guess sometimes the horn doesn't educate.
Isn't it about time we banned women from the roads?

Note, it is only an indecipherable shout; not an oath or plashemy or
foul language or insult or something.

It's hard to escape the conclusion that you're just supposed to stop in
order to avoid a collision.

Bicycles have insufficient brakes to do that.

On 07/08/2018 17:58, Bod wrote:
On 07/08/2018 15:44, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 15:34, Bod wrote:
On 07/08/2018 15:28, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 09:20, Bod wrote:

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers,
as if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could
never cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research,
people who cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are
also disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be
well educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per
year and shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report,
Bicycles in the UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to
be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey


I just use a bike mostly because it is most convenient, I love the
fresh air and feeling of movement and exercise, and ....
Owning a car and being rich has nothing to do with it.
Â*
Â* Of course, money is irellevant.

Is it?

So why did you mention it?
Â*
Â* I didn't.Â* I just showed you a report from a link, which was
basically the reporter's opinions.

That's an entertaining wriggle.

State where I mentioned money!

Other than where you mentioned/quoted income, you mean?

On 07.08.2018 16:27, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 09:17, Peter Keller wrote:
On 06.08.2018 20:02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:16:17 +0100, Bod wrote:


He can afford a car yet uses a bicycle, that's gross stupidity.
Â*Thanks greatly for the excellent compliment coming from YOU.
My bike is an excellent convenient healthy exhilarating convenient
economical viable means of transport.
It really is a very great compliment to be called grossly stupid
by YOU.
Especially by YOU.
And I have no ****ing interest in looking good in YOUR eyes.
After all I ride a bicycle.
And we all know what YOU think of bicyclists. You think they are
the ****witted pits of humanity.
And because it is YOU who think that,Â* that is an extremely great
compliment.
We must be doing something right.

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers, as
if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could never
cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research, people who
cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are also
disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be well
educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per year and
shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report, Bicycles in the
UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey


I guess the Guardian is wrong then, or cyclists wouldn't yell at
drivers all the time.
I don't yell at drivers all the time.
I use my voice like a car uses (or is supposed to use) a horn; as a
warning that unless someone does some kind of avoiding manoeuvre, a
clash may happen.

That is not the purpose of a motor vehicle horn.

It is intended only to alert other road-users to one's presence. It is
not intended to convey the message: "Get out of my way or there might be
a crash". I such circumstances, you are supposed to slow down or stop.

Since horns are rarely, if ever, used for their legallt-intended
purpose, my view - for a long time - has been that rather than being a
C&U requirement, they should be banned except for the ones used on
official emergency vehicles.

Note, it is only an indecipherable shout; not an oath or plashemy or
foul language or insult or something.

It's hard to escape the conclusion that you're just supposed to stop in
order to avoid a collision.

That is why I said

I use my voice like a car uses (or is supposed to use) a horn; as a
warning that unless someone does some kind of avoiding manoeuvre, a
clash may happen.

Stopping, slowing down, turning to avoid the other are avoidance manoeuvres.
I like to let others know that I m there, also.

On 07.08.2018 19:24, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 09:17:53 +0100, Peter Keller
wrote:

On 06.08.2018 20:02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:16:17 +0100, Bod wrote:


He can afford a car yet uses a bicycle, that's gross stupidity.
Â*Thanks greatly for the excellent compliment coming from YOU.
My bike is an excellent convenient healthy exhilarating convenient
economical viable means of transport.
It really is a very great compliment to be called grossly stupid
by YOU.
Especially by YOU.
And I have no ****ing interest in looking good in YOUR eyes.
After all I ride a bicycle.
And we all know what YOU think of bicyclists. You think they are
the ****witted pits of humanity.
And because it is YOU who think that,Â* that is an extremely great
compliment.
We must be doing something right.

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers, as
if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could never
cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research, people who
cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are also
disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be well
educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per year and
shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report, Bicycles in the
UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey

Â*I guess the Guardian is wrong then, or cyclists wouldn't yell at
drivers all the time.
I don't yell at drivers all the time.
I use my voice like a car uses (or is supposed to use) a horn; as a
warning that unless someone does some kind of avoiding manoeuvre, a
clash may happen.
Note, it is only an indecipherable shout; not an oath or plashemy or
foul language or insult or something.

Funny, I've never had to yell at a motorist on my bike, maybe you should
cycle more carefully?

I sometimes have to, but usually I find I am acknowledging their courtesy.
Maybe that is why I am still alive and uninjured.

On 07.08.2018 10:20, Bod wrote:

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers, as if
the two groups were such polar opposites that they could never cross
in a Venn diagram. But according to new research, people who cycle
the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are also
disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be well
educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per year and
shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report, Bicycles in the UK
2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey


I just use a bike mostly because it is most convenient, I love the
fresh air and feeling of movement and exercise, and ....
Owning a car and being rich has nothing to do with it.

Of course, money is irellevant.

Of course. Exactly.

On 07.08.2018 19:23, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 17:58:57 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 07/08/2018 15:44, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 15:34, Bod wrote:
On 07/08/2018 15:28, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 09:20, Bod wrote:

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers,
as if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could
never cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research,
people who cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are
also disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be
well educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per
year and shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report,
Bicycles in the UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely
to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey

I just use a bike mostly because it is most convenient, I love
the fresh air and feeling of movement and exercise, and ....
Owning a car and being rich has nothing to do with it.
Â*
Â* Of course, money is irellevant.

Is it?

So why did you mention it?
Â*
Â* I didn't.Â* I just showed you a report from a link, which was
basically the reporter's opinions.
Â*That's an entertaining wriggle.
Â*
Â* State where I mentioned money!

You quoted a foul mouthed **** faced whining little journalist.
Journalists should never ever be trusted.

That is why when I watch news programmes I concentrate on the rolling
ticker=tape at the bottom. That is just news without comment. I can do
without the comments and bloody interviews and all that.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey

Â*I guess the Guardian is wrong then, or cyclists wouldn't yell at
drivers all the time.
I don't yell at drivers all the time.
I use my voice like a car uses (or is supposed to use) a horn; as a
warning that unless someone does some kind of avoiding manoeuvre, a
clash may happen.
Note, it is only an indecipherable shout; not an oath or plashemy or
foul language or insult or something.

Funny, I've never had to yell at a motorist on my bike, maybe you
should cycle more carefully?

I sometimes have to, but usually I find I am acknowledging their courtesy.
Maybe that is why I am still alive and uninjured.

I've been cycling on and off for 64 years and never had a problem
with cars. I've have certainly never needed to shout at any drivers.

--
Bod

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2018 11:24:10 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 04/08/2018 10:22, Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

I pay road tax

No you don't.

Correct.
Vehicle tax doesn't actually pay for our roads. Not directly, anyway.
Our vehicle tax goes into the same pot as all our other tax, and then
that money is distributed all over the place.

It's actually our council tax that pays for our roads and our local
infrastructure.

What the government does with it is irrelevant. If I drive a car, I pay a
LOT of tax in fuel duty and road tax/tax disk.whatever OCD people want to
call it. If I were to sell my car and only cycle, I'd pay neither.

Ah, another retard who invokes the 'Medway Handyman Paradigm'. The money
goes into the pot, and some of it will probably find its way to the roads,
so by this ****ing spastic's 'reasoning', he 'pays for the roads'.

I wonder if people who smoke cigarettes get to jump the waiting list at the
local NHS hospital....

--
john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons)
'It never gets any easier. You just get faster'
(Greg LeMond (1961 - ))

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2018 12:44:54 +0100, Bruce 'Not Glug' Lee
wrote:

By all accounts, any interaction between a cyclist and a driver will
almost inevitably have the latter bleating that the cyclist 'doesn't pay
road tax'. That this belief is so widespread, despite 'road tax' having
been abolished over eight decades ago, means that it is not going to go
away any time soon. The sense of entitlement of the driver is
responsible for over 1,700 deaths every year in Britain.

Teach drivers that the roads do not belong to them. Beat it out of
them. Because that is the only way things are going to change. Drivers
have to know that if they threaten the life or physical safety of
another road user, then they are going to get seriously injured.

I can get to my destination 10 times faster than you.

Not in any urban environment you can't.

I can carry 10 times as much luggage as you. I don't get all sweaty
getting there. Just because a minority **** up and kill people doesn't
automatically make all drivers bad.

And you kill ten times as many people as I do. Actually, more like eight
hundred and fifty times more.


--
john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons)
'It never gets any easier. You just get faster'
(Greg LeMond (1961 - ))

On 08/08/2018 09:41, Peter Keller wrote:
On 07.08.2018 16:27, JNugent wrote:
On 07/08/2018 09:17, Peter Keller wrote:
On 06.08.2018 20:02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 09:16:17 +0100, Bod wrote:


He can afford a car yet uses a bicycle, that's gross stupidity.
Â*Thanks greatly for the excellent compliment coming from YOU.
My bike is an excellent convenient healthy exhilarating convenient
economical viable means of transport.
It really is a very great compliment to be called grossly stupid
by YOU.
Especially by YOU.
And I have no ****ing interest in looking good in YOUR eyes.
After all I ride a bicycle.
And we all know what YOU think of bicyclists. You think they are
the ****witted pits of humanity.
And because it is YOU who think that,Â* that is an extremely great
compliment.
We must be doing something right.

Â* Cyclists v drivers? They're often the same people.

Much has been written about a war between cyclists and drivers, as
if the two groups were such polar opposites that they could never
cross in a Venn diagram. But according to new research, people who
cycle the most are likely to own at least two cars.

Regular cyclists – those who cycle at least once a week – are also
disproportionately likely to read broadsheet newspapers, be well
educated, have a household income of at least £50,000 per year and
shop at Waitrose, claims the latest Mintel report, Bicycles in the
UK 2010. In addition, they are twice as likely to be men as women.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ng-boom-survey


I guess the Guardian is wrong then, or cyclists wouldn't yell at
drivers all the time.
I don't yell at drivers all the time.
I use my voice like a car uses (or is supposed to use) a horn; as a
warning that unless someone does some kind of avoiding manoeuvre, a
clash may happen.

That is not the purpose of a motor vehicle horn.

It is intended only to alert other road-users to one's presence. It is
not intended to convey the message: "Get out of my way or there might
be a crash". I such circumstances, you are supposed to slow down or stop.

Since horns are rarely, if ever, used for their legallt-intended
purpose, my view - for a long time - has been that rather than being a
C&U requirement, they should be banned except for the ones used on
official emergency vehicles.

Note, it is only an indecipherable shout; not an oath or plashemy or
foul language or insult or something.

It's hard to escape the conclusion that you're just supposed to stop
in order to avoid a collision.

That is why I said

I use my voice like a car uses (or is supposed to use) a horn; as a
warning that unless someone does some kind of avoiding manoeuvre, a
clash may happen.

Stopping, slowing down, turning to avoid the other are avoidance
manoeuvres.
I like to let others know that I m there, also.

I appreciate what you say. The central point is that in UK C&U law at
least, there is no other alternative, additional or anciliary purpose
for a motor vehicle's horn. It is required only for giving warning of
the presence of that vehicle ("vehicle A") to which it is attached. It
has no function in the avoidance of collisions other than by alerting
other road-users to the presence of Vehicle A. It follows that its use
will be of value only where another road user was unaware of the
presence of the vehicle A. Where it is clear that a relevant other road
user is aware of vehicle A's presence on the highway, sounding its horn
cannot possibly remove or reduce the need for the vehicle to be slowed
or stopped by its driver or rider.