I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it

On 2010-02-10, gregg wrote:

Edward Dolan wrote:

Clinton needed to do more that lob a few missiles into Afghanistan. He need
to go after them like Bush did. Maybe 9/11 would never have happened if he
had.
[...]

Are you serious or just on drugs? Afghanistan has nothing at all to do
with 9/11 nor did the war in Iraq. If you believe in that, tell me what
Santa is going to bring you for Christmas.

I'm no fan of Bush, but the Taliban in Afghanistan *were* sheltering bin
Laden and the al-Qaeda crew prior to the 9/11 attcks. What is often
forgotten is that the Taliban agreed to extradite them if the USA could
provide reasonable evidence that they were responsible for the attacks.
Bush et al were in too much of a hurry to do that.

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-John )

Edward Dolan wrote:


"gregg" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:

Clinton needed to do more that lob a few missiles into Afghanistan. He
need
to go after them like Bush did. Maybe 9/11 would never have happened if
he
had.
[...]

Are you serious or just on drugs? Afghanistan has nothing at all to do
with 9/11 nor did the war in Iraq. If you believe in that, tell me what
Santa is going to bring you for Christmas.

Al-Qaeda was situated in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban. What
planet do you live on?

No, they weren't "situated" in Afghanistan and "protected" by the
Taliban. There "may" have been some scattered about, but none
responsible for 9/11. You act as if it were some major force. They
didn't become such a "force" till we made them such AFTER 9/11.

There were other good and sufficient reasons to take out Iraq.

Oh, really? And all of the innocent lives, not to mention taking down
our country's economy in the process. What are these grand reasons. Are
you the "God" you so grandly espouse in association with Bush?


Thank God Bush was president during this time and not Gore!

A great reason to be an Athiest or at very least an Agnostic.


Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

jeff wrote:

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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There were other good and sufficient reasons for taking out Iraq.
So it had nothing to do with the real reason. And just what was that?

What justifies the loss of 4K Americans, 100's of thousand of innocent
civilians and the inexorable rise of Iran?
We got a lot at not much cost. Quite a bargain really.
That is One Trillion and that does not include all the cost of replacing
worn out and blown up equipment. And you never explained what we got.

"We got Iraq on our side." - Ed Dolan

Do you really think so?

Do you have a any idea how close Iran and Iraq are? You do realize
that they have very close religious ties amongst other ties?

Doesn't Rush ever talk about that?

Remember Muntadar al-Zaidi? The guy who threw the shoes at W. He
didn't serve much jail time.

Jeff

Actually, since we took out Hussain and murdered him, Iraq and Iran are
much closer. Before they were brutal enemies. Good thing we did for Iran
what they could not do themselves, huh.

[...]

The important thing is to kill them wherever they are.
[...]
The important thing is not to breed them faster than we can kill kill
them. W years were banner years for alQaeda.

It was all destined to happen no matter what. Arab Islamists hate us for
what we are, not for what we do.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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What good does it do to be frugal in your personal life when the country
is going to hell?
It's your boy W that sent us into the deepest recession since the Great
Depression.

The country is on the mend. Unless you are an unreasoning ideologue
who just has these feelings. It's really all personal to you anyways. I
mean, you have brought up all the names you hate, and not said one word
about any policy except that you agree that the top marginal rate should
go back to where it was. Which I agree on.

Start viewing Glenn Beck on Fox and get educated. The country is NOT on the
mend!

Sorry, I have no appetite to see a grown man cry.

It was terribly funny though that Sarah couldn't come up with a
founding father until Washington popped in her mind. Isn't refounding
America a common topic with him?


Hitler knew from what political spectrum he was coming even if
you don't.
You are the only one who thinks that Hitler was just left of Stalin.

Hitler and Stalin were both Leftists.

Which places you on the fantasy fringe. Of course, you place anyone
you hate as a leftist. What your shallow thinking buds mistake is
Hitlers words and Hitlers actions. Much of Hitlers early speeches are
pandering to the masses, remember the conditions in effect at that time.
Once in power, The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining
and the right to strike. Hardly leftist. Nazi Germany was very
capitalist with very independent corporations. In fact the Nazis made
these companies very rich. Note that the primary feature of Socialism is
worker ownership of production, nothing could have been further from the
truth in Nazi Germany. The situation in Stalinist Russia was very
different. You don't have a clue about what Socialism is.

I suppose you still got nothing but socialist in national socialist?


The VA went to holy hell under W, how is that patriotic?

Not aware of that. The VA in Sioux Falls takes very good care of me.

Hope the PTSD treatment is coming along well.

Jeff

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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You like immoral *******s like Ted Kennedy. I don't. President Kennedy
was also a scofflaw and a terrible president who bungled the Cuban
invasion. Apparently only the Bushs know how to invade and win.
Er win? Democrats have actually won more wars in recent history than
Republicans. WWI, WWII, Korea, Kosovo all waged and won by democratic
presidents.
Yes, all Democratic wars, as Dole once characterized them. Maybe if we
had had more Repubs in office there would not have been so many wars nor
would they have ended so badly.
We didn't start those wars. It was the republicans who did not want to get
involved in WWII. Traitors. So, you would have kept us out of WWII?
Amazing what a patriot you are.

Maybe Churchill should have let Hitler have Poland instead of going to war
over it. After all, what did Poland matter to the West.

You seem to have forgotten that the Republican Party, with such
leader as William Borah, The Lion of Idaho were completely opposed to
even helping Britain.

WWII did not end well for the West. Russia took over all of Eastern Europe
because Roosevelt did not have the guts to oppose it.

Being dead didn't help.

But that is a liberal
Dem for you - always gutless and brainless to the bitter end!

When lacking facts, the personal attack. So cheap and typical.

Let's see what Obama is going to do about Iran, if anything.

What did W do about the one country N Korea that acquired Nuclear
weapons. The will be quiz later to see if you know the difference
between a uranium bomb and one of plutonium.

In fact, if you look at the moves to isolate Iran, they are starting
to work. Nobody told you that they had to chop a couple zeros off their
currency did they. You get a very narrow and one sided view of the world.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

As I've posted before the debt to GDP is consistently lower under
Democratic Presidents than under Republicans. What is frugal about
spending money you don't have?

That is what I am asking you! You need to slow down and read me more
carefully!

Also your bud W is responsible for the largest increase in government in
a generation.

Evidently, you have stopped following the news altogether. The present debt
is the greatest in our history and is unsustainable. If you had any smarts,
you would be frightened by the way things are going.

Who signed the Tarp? Who ran the a budget surplus into a deficit? Who
took the wars off budget so they wouldn't appear in the deficit? Who
signed the .8T Medicare drug bill? It wasn't Obama.

W left a stinking festering mess.

Jeff

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Just cut all spending by a certain percentage. And keep on doing it until
the debt is eliminated.
[...]
So, we cut the military. How unpatriotic? We cut transportation? How
short sighted.

Yes, just cut EVERYTHING by a certain percentage. Hard times will be good
for us all. It will give your term "frugal-living" some meaning.
[...]

Obama already put in across the board cuts and proposed a deficit
commission with the power to make recommendations to the Senate. You
don't give him a whit of credit for that.

Nevertheless, facts and hard news need interpretation and to be put in
some kind of context. If you don't do that, all you have got is confusion
and anarchy which no one can make any sense of. It is the business of
commentators to make sense of the facts and hard news. You have your
commentators and I have mine.
I don't have commentators, you do. It is only Republicans that need
wingnut radio. Note that there is no Air America, because Dems don't need
to be told what to think like Republicans do.

Everyone needs commentators, unless you regard yourself as the smartest man
in the world. Original thinking is vastly overrated. There is not one man in
ten thousand who is capable of it.

Certainly not one of your strong points. The trouble is you get
everything from people with a very narrow agenda. I read George Will and
a handful of other conservative columnists. You only look at one side,
and that is a very narrow side.

By the way, Rush at least is entertaining, something you can't claim for
that god damn ****ing Chris Matthews on MSNBC.
I don't watch him or any other commentator. You are the addict.

That is why you don't seem to know much about anything, not even
frugal-living.

You haven't show me much. Except that you believe in Glen Beck.

Jeff

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I mostly have contempt for facts until they are put into some kind of
context. Facts on their own are like lost orphan children wandering in a
wilderness searching for an adult to save them.
So, you want the spin? You sure got it. Democrats want to know,
Republican want to be told. That's why Repubs march in lock step and Dems
don't.

The mass media, which is overwhelmingly liberal, just spins all day long.
You can't get any honest political news from them. Only Fox News is fair and
balanced. Even liberals are flocking to Fox because they are fed up with the
spin of the rest of the media. MSNBC is the worst of the bunch and is truly
reprehensible. Journalism, as we have known it in the past, is dead.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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There were other good and sufficient reasons for taking out Iraq.
So it had nothing to do with the real reason. And just what was that?

What justifies the loss of 4K Americans, 100's of thousand of
innocent civilians and the inexorable rise of Iran?
We got a lot at not much cost. Quite a bargain really.
That is One Trillion and that does not include all the cost of
replacing worn out and blown up equipment. And you never explained what
we got.

"We got Iraq on our side." - Ed Dolan

Do you really think so?

Do you have a any idea how close Iran and Iraq are? You do realize that
they have very close religious ties amongst other ties?

Yes, the religious ties are there, but nationalism overrides everything
else. Furthermore, the Arabs are notorious for not getting along with one
another. The Iranians are not even Arabs. They are Aryans, which is what
"Iran" means.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"gregg" wrote in message
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jeff wrote:

Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
"We got Iraq on our side." - Ed Dolan

Do you really think so?

Do you have a any idea how close Iran and Iraq are? You do realize
that they have very close religious ties amongst other ties?

Doesn't Rush ever talk about that?

Remember Muntadar al-Zaidi? The guy who threw the shoes at W. He
didn't serve much jail time.

Jeff

Actually, since we took out Hussain and murdered him, Iraq and Iran are
much closer. Before they were brutal enemies. Good thing we did for Iran
what they could not do themselves, huh.

Saddam was tried in an Iraqi court and dealt with by them.

Iran and Iraq will never make common cause about anything. They are two
different peoples.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"gregg" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:


"gregg" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:

Clinton needed to do more that lob a few missiles into Afghanistan. He
need
to go after them like Bush did. Maybe 9/11 would never have happened if
he
had.
[...]

Are you serious or just on drugs? Afghanistan has nothing at all to do
with 9/11 nor did the war in Iraq. If you believe in that, tell me what
Santa is going to bring you for Christmas.

Al-Qaeda was situated in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban. What
planet do you live on?

No, they weren't "situated" in Afghanistan and "protected" by the
Taliban. There "may" have been some scattered about, but none
responsible for 9/11. You act as if it were some major force. They
didn't become such a "force" till we made them such AFTER 9/11.

Your ignorance is unconquerable!

There were other good and sufficient reasons to take out Iraq.

Oh, really? And all of the innocent lives, not to mention taking down
our country's economy in the process. What are these grand reasons. Are
you the "God" you so grandly espouse in association with Bush?

The only innocent lives being taken in Iraq are being taken by insurgents
killing their own. No one can hate another Arab like an Arab. They are all
basically savages.


Thank God Bush was president during this time and not Gore!

A great reason to be an Athiest or at very least an Agnostic.

I often wonder what Gore would have done about the 9/11 attack if he had
been president.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota