I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Hitler and Stalin were both Leftists.

Which places you on the fantasy fringe. Of course, you place anyone you
hate as a leftist. What your shallow thinking buds mistake is Hitlers
words and Hitlers actions. Much of Hitlers early speeches are pandering to
the masses, remember the conditions in effect at that time.

He was pandering to the German proletariat, just as Lenin had done in Russia
a generation earlier.

Once in power, The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and
the right to strike. Hardly leftist.

You've got to be kidding. That is exactly what the Soviets did too. It is
what all Lefties do!

Nazi Germany was very
capitalist with very independent corporations.

Just the oppoate of that. They ruled the corporations and told them what to
do and how to do it. They even provided industry with slave labor.

In fact the Nazis made
these companies very rich. Note that the primary feature of Socialism is
worker ownership of production, nothing could have been further from the
truth in Nazi Germany. The situation in Stalinist Russia was very
different. You don't have a clue about what Socialism is.

How was the situation in Russia any different? The workers have never owned
anything - ever!

I suppose you still got nothing but socialist in national socialist?

Hitler and Stalin were both Leftists. If you had been in charge, you would
have turned out just as they did. All Leftist ideologies end in tyranny. It
is the only way you can overcome recalcitrant human nature and the
inevitable historical forces. Mankind wants to be free, something that all
socialisms need to stifle at best.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Maybe Churchill should have let Hitler have Poland instead of going to
war over it. After all, what did Poland matter to the West.

You seem to have forgotten that the Republican Party, with such leader
as William Borah, The Lion of Idaho were completely opposed to even
helping Britain.

I too have no special regard for Britain.
[...]

Let's see what Obama is going to do about Iran, if anything.

What did W do about the one country N Korea that acquired Nuclear
weapons. The will be quiz later to see if you know the difference between
a uranium bomb and one of plutonium.

In fact, if you look at the moves to isolate Iran, they are starting to
work. Nobody told you that they had to chop a couple zeros off their
currency did they. You get a very narrow and one sided view of the world.

Iran is probably going to get the bomb, at which point the entire complexion
of the Middle East will change.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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As I've posted before the debt to GDP is consistently lower under
Democratic Presidents than under Republicans. What is frugal about
spending money you don't have?

That is what I am asking you! You need to slow down and read me more
carefully!

Also your bud W is responsible for the largest increase in government
in a generation.

Evidently, you have stopped following the news altogether. The present
debt is the greatest in our history and is unsustainable. If you had any
smarts, you would be frightened by the way things are going.

Who signed the Tarp? Who ran the a budget surplus into a deficit? Who
took the wars off budget so they wouldn't appear in the deficit? Who
signed the .8T Medicare drug bill? It wasn't Obama.

W left a stinking festering mess.

Obama is going to leave a bankrupt nation. Prepare for rioting in the
streets!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Just cut all spending by a certain percentage. And keep on doing it
until the debt is eliminated.
[...]
So, we cut the military. How unpatriotic? We cut transportation? How
short sighted.

Yes, just cut EVERYTHING by a certain percentage. Hard times will be good
for us all. It will give your term "frugal-living" some meaning.
[...]

Obama already put in across the board cuts and proposed a deficit
commission with the power to make recommendations to the Senate. You don't
give him a whit of credit for that.

You've got to cut the entitlement programs too since that is where the major
costs are.

Nevertheless, facts and hard news need interpretation and to be put in
some kind of context. If you don't do that, all you have got is
confusion and anarchy which no one can make any sense of. It is the
business of commentators to make sense of the facts and hard news. You
have your commentators and I have mine.
I don't have commentators, you do. It is only Republicans that need
wingnut radio. Note that there is no Air America, because Dems don't
need to be told what to think like Republicans do.

Everyone needs commentators, unless you regard yourself as the smartest
man in the world. Original thinking is vastly overrated. There is not one
man in ten thousand who is capable of it.

Certainly not one of your strong points. The trouble is you get
everything from people with a very narrow agenda. I read George Will and a
handful of other conservative columnists. You only look at one side, and
that is a very narrow side.

You cannot avoid the liberal media since it is everywhere. But you have to
make an effort to access the conservative media since it is not everywhere.
I do rather like the Mr. Ed show on MSNBC. He is an honest liberal. The best
conservative columnist to read is Krauthammer, not Will.

By the way, Rush at least is entertaining, something you can't claim
for that god damn ****ing Chris Matthews on MSNBC.
I don't watch him or any other commentator. You are the addict.

That is why you don't seem to know much about anything, not even
frugal-living.

You haven't shown me much. Except that you believe in Glenn Beck.

Glenn Beck's daily shows are like college seminars. You can learn a lot by
following him. For instance, I never knew Wilson was such a ******* until
Beck explained him to me.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Let's see what Obama is going to do about Iran, if anything.

What did W do about the one country N Korea that acquired Nuclear
weapons. The will be quiz later to see if you know the difference between
a uranium bomb and one of plutonium.

North Korea is a hermit kingdom. Iran is not.

In fact, if you look at the moves to isolate Iran, they are starting to
work. Nobody told you that they had to chop a couple zeros off their
currency did they. You get a very narrow and one sided view of the world.

Jeff, we need to keep our eye on Iran. It is not an insignificant nation
like North Korea. The leaders there believe all kinds of crazy stuff. We
should be actively engaged in replacing that regime. Once they get the bomb,
it will not be easy to dislodge them.

I believe Obama will be judged not on his domestic policies, but on his
foreign policies. All presidents are. Iran could be his Waterloo. I believe
Obama is weak and will not do what is necessary to control Iran. I always
trusted Bush to protect us from harm. I do not trust Obama to do the same.

Liberal Dems have always been notoriously weak and slack on defense and
national security issues. That is the main reason we have a federal
government in case you didn't know it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"gregg" wrote in message
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jeff wrote:

Edward Dolan wrote:
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"We got Iraq on our side." - Ed Dolan
Do you really think so?

Do you have a any idea how close Iran and Iraq are? You do realize
that they have very close religious ties amongst other ties?

Doesn't Rush ever talk about that?

Remember Muntadar al-Zaidi? The guy who threw the shoes at W. He
didn't serve much jail time.

Jeff
Actually, since we took out Hussain and murdered him, Iraq and Iran are
much closer. Before they were brutal enemies. Good thing we did for Iran
what they could not do themselves, huh.

Saddam was tried in an Iraqi court and dealt with by them.

Iran and Iraq will never make common cause about anything. They are two
different peoples.

Both with little regard for the American paper tiger.

Bungling a war did little to impress.

Jeff

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Hitler and Stalin were both Leftists.
Which places you on the fantasy fringe. Of course, you place anyone you
hate as a leftist. What your shallow thinking buds mistake is Hitlers
words and Hitlers actions. Much of Hitlers early speeches are pandering to
the masses, remember the conditions in effect at that time.

He was pandering to the German proletariat, just as Lenin had done in Russia
a generation earlier.

Once in power, The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and
the right to strike. Hardly leftist.

You've got to be kidding. That is exactly what the Soviets did too. It is
what all Lefties do!

But you make the mistake of equating Communism with Socialism. Nothing
could be further from the truth. You have this tendency to lump
everything you hate as being leftist. Rather shallow thinking.


Nazi Germany was very
capitalist with very independent corporations.

Just the oppoate of that. They ruled the corporations and told them what to
do and how to do it. They even provided industry with slave labor.

All these contracts were bid and there was fierce competition for
them. Supplying slave labor is just a factor in capitalist cost

In fact the Nazis made
these companies very rich. Note that the primary feature of Socialism is
worker ownership of production, nothing could have been further from the
truth in Nazi Germany. The situation in Stalinist Russia was very
different. You don't have a clue about what Socialism is.

How was the situation in Russia any different? The workers have never owned
anything - ever!

Russia was not Socialist, it was communist. In Russia, if a company did
not do as the State wished the leaders of that company were frequently
jailed (or worse). No such thing ever happened in Nazi Germany.

Such aircraft as the Polikarpov I16 were in fact designed from inside
a prison cell.

I suppose you still got nothing but socialist in national socialist?

Hitler and Stalin were both Leftists. If you had been in charge, you would
have turned out just as they did. All Leftist ideologies end in tyranny. It
is the only way you can overcome recalcitrant human nature and the
inevitable historical forces. Mankind wants to be free, something that all
socialisms need to stifle at best.


There is something about the fringe right that if they believe something
hard enough it will be true. Most people call that delusional.

Odd that you have such contempt for socialism when you are such a clear
supporter of such socialist policies as the Medicare drug bill.

As far as rightest policies, that is the root of the creation of trade
unions. Child labor and sweat shops all come from the extension of
letting capitalists do whatever they want.

I'm a big proponent of capitalism, as are all democrats. I do not
believe that corporate America should do whatever it wished. That
ultimately is the design of all policies of the extreme right.
Destroying government and deregulating business. You don't care when
that turns out badly because it fits your ideology, I do.

Most democrats take a relatively balanced position, somewhere near
the center. The Republican Party and the Tea Partiers in particular are
being driven further and further right. Expelling and rejecting their
more moderate members. In essence they have looked back on their past
failures and have said, we did not go far enough. Repeating actions that
have previously resulted in failure and expecting a different result is
craziness.

You believe in Sarah, when she has shown over and over that she is
incapable of administering anything. She is clueless about actual
policies and chooses to remain so. It would get in the way of her blind
faith in herself. There is a long history of the failure to educate
Sarah. Not only by Republicans but by the higher education system. How
many colleges did it take before she earned a degree?

Jeff

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Let's see what Obama is going to do about Iran, if anything.
What did W do about the one country N Korea that acquired Nuclear
weapons. The will be quiz later to see if you know the difference between
a uranium bomb and one of plutonium.

North Korea is a hermit kingdom. Iran is not.

In fact, if you look at the moves to isolate Iran, they are starting to
work. Nobody told you that they had to chop a couple zeros off their
currency did they. You get a very narrow and one sided view of the world.

Jeff, we need to keep our eye on Iran. It is not an insignificant nation
like North Korea. The leaders there believe all kinds of crazy stuff. We
should be actively engaged in replacing that regime. Once they get the bomb,
it will not be easy to dislodge them.

I believe Obama will be judged not on his domestic policies, but on his
foreign policies. All presidents are. Iran could be his Waterloo. I believe
Obama is weak and will not do what is necessary to control Iran. I always
trusted Bush to protect us from harm. I do not trust Obama to do the same.

There is little that can be done to stop their capability of making a
bomb. If there was the Israelis would have already done so. There are
plenty of good reasons for that.

There is nothing that can be done to directly support street
politics. That always backfires.

I don't see what Bush did to suppress Iran other to destabilize the
region which is completely counter productive.

Don't underestimate what Hillary is up to. There is very active
involvement in not only uniting the Arab States but in stabilizing
States such as Yemen. Not the same policies as W followed. Iran is
largely propped up by the UAE. That is the target. Something W did
nothing about.

The likely resolution is the near collapse of the Iranian economy.
Then the Iranian government will be replaced.

In fact it has been economic weakness that has caused the collapse of
all previously dominant states.

Jeff



Liberal Dems have always been notoriously weak and slack on defense and
national security issues. That is the main reason we have a federal
government in case you didn't know it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
Just cut all spending by a certain percentage. And keep on doing it
until the debt is eliminated.
[...]
So, we cut the military. How unpatriotic? We cut transportation? How
short sighted.
Yes, just cut EVERYTHING by a certain percentage. Hard times will be good
for us all. It will give your term "frugal-living" some meaning.
[...]
Obama already put in across the board cuts and proposed a deficit
commission with the power to make recommendations to the Senate. You don't
give him a whit of credit for that.

You've got to cut the entitlement programs too since that is where the major
costs are.

Nevertheless, facts and hard news need interpretation and to be put in
some kind of context. If you don't do that, all you have got is
confusion and anarchy which no one can make any sense of. It is the
business of commentators to make sense of the facts and hard news. You
have your commentators and I have mine.
I don't have commentators, you do. It is only Republicans that need
wingnut radio. Note that there is no Air America, because Dems don't
need to be told what to think like Republicans do.
Everyone needs commentators, unless you regard yourself as the smartest
man in the world. Original thinking is vastly overrated. There is not one
man in ten thousand who is capable of it.
Certainly not one of your strong points. The trouble is you get
everything from people with a very narrow agenda. I read George Will and a
handful of other conservative columnists. You only look at one side, and
that is a very narrow side.

You cannot avoid the liberal media since it is everywhere.


The media is all corporate owned. Not so liberal.

But you have to
make an effort to access the conservative media since it is not everywhere.
I do rather like the Mr. Ed show on MSNBC. He is an honest liberal. The best
conservative columnist to read is Krauthammer, not Will.

I read Krauthammer.

By the way, Rush at least is entertaining, something you can't claim
for that god damn ****ing Chris Matthews on MSNBC.
I don't watch him or any other commentator. You are the addict.
That is why you don't seem to know much about anything, not even
frugal-living.
You haven't shown me much. Except that you believe in Glenn Beck.

Glenn Beck's daily shows are like college seminars. You can learn a lot by
following him.

Except so much is flat out wrong, and you never know because he won't
tell you.


Jeff


For instance, I never knew Wilson was such a ******* until
Beck explained him to me.



Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"jeff" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
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Furthermore, the Arabs are notorious for not getting along with one
another. The Iranians are not even Arabs. They are Aryans, which is what
"Iran" means.

I never said otherwise.

The Iraqi relationship with the US is one of necessity. Certainly they
have not helped isolate Iran, which is the largest problem we have with
any state.

I don't count Iraqi "friendship" as a great success.

Nations do not have friends, they only have interests. But I am glad that
you take Iran seriously.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota