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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it
Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] The Repubs do blather on about taxes way too much I must admit. But we have got to get some control over spending. That is the problem, not taxes. [...] Exactly what spending? I've posted the links to the 2010 budget, did you look? What would you cut in the discretionary that would make a difference? ALL spending - you dolt! So, no roads, no government services of any kind. Doesn't matter what is in your sausage, your water or your air. No police, CIA, FBI or Fire Department. That is just stupid. Would you take the wars off budget again so the numbers look better? There is one main reason why we have a federal government, to protect the people. Why do the Dems always want to cut defense spending? As someone put it, The Tea Party is like a dog chasing a car. If they ever caught it they wouldn't know what to do with it. The Tea Party movement is a sign of hope. They want smaller government and less spending. If you are on the frugal living group, you should be for it. Sarah is a woman with much ambition, but little ability. She has little clue of what is going on. She has narrow dogmatic beliefs. It is not just liberals that believe that. Just keep believing that and you will soon get the surprise of your life. McCain was dead until he got hold of Sarah. Then he was really dead. Sarah ran a state where the average citizen received far more from the government dole than the lower 48. Indeed while she was mayor of Wasilla she lobbied heavily and got government dollars. And she quit the Governership in shambles, she treated the office like it was for family and personal benefit. What a messy family life she leads. Who cares about any of the above. Alaska has always been ****ed up. So what else is new? Sarah at least is not a murderer like liberals are (abortion). Why is it that right wingers care more about a 1 minute old embryo than a 1 minute old baby. Seems wrong to me. I do not support abortion willy nilly either. But she think like you, which is to say, not deeply. We deep thinkers are alike in that we hate liberals. But Mass. gives us hope. Imagine people so stupid as to keep voting for Kennedy even though he was a murderer (Chappaquiddick) and a craven coward. But that is a liberal for you! I've mostly just seen seething blind hatred. Surely no reflection on past failures or what the policies will actually do. There are no numbers, no facts, just a divine belief that you are right. That is just pure crazy. Jeff Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it
Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message ... jeff wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Colin Powell in fact is guilty of treason himself. He was never loyal to Bush. Why did he not resign if he did not agree with Bush on the Iraq war? He was nothing but an opportunist and owed everything he was to the Repubs. **** that cowardly general - who never met a war that he liked. I missed this before. They were all loyal, and they all came to understand the facts were being manipulated. It is not just Colin Powell but George Tenet, Paul O'Neill, Scott McClellan, Richard Clarke... Yup, they were all just too dumb to ever see anything until it was too late. You haven't read a word of what any of them have said, have you? You just believe, because you believe. Any evidence that might oppose what you believe must be blocked. Such blind faith. Pride comes before the fall. Powell was a typical army general, not wanting to get out ahead, and being faithful. The UN speech is what gave the Iraq war it's rationale. It was all misinformation made up by the OVP (Cheney). Nothing was made up - you confounded dolt. All of it was made up by wishful interpretation of raw intelligence. They used to call it "feith based", because Doug Feith made it all up. He would put in anything that strengthened the case for war, no matter how unlikely or discredited it was. All of it came out of the OVP which ran it's own (faulty) intel analysis. Absolutely all of it has been discredited. Even W, Cheney and Rumsfeld now say there were no weapons of mass destruction. Colin Powell had one week to write that UN speech. The OVP kept putting stuff that had to be thrown out. What remained in there the OVP vouched that is was true. Everyone in the world believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and that he would use them (as he had in the past). Apparently, only you ever believed otherwise. Nope. The Germans warned repeatedly that Curveball (that's the basis of the bio terror) was not to be relied on. In fact they never even talked to him to check (US) as he was in Germany. All that came out of some screwball report. There was plenty of evidence that the aluminum tubes were completely unsuited for centrifuges, and for multiple reasons. And there was plenty of evidence for what they were really used for. Bill Sornson has posted many times what everyone was saying at the time. But of course, liberals are never deterred by any facts. I haven't seen a fact yet from you. I like facts. Show me one. All liberals know how to do is spin, spin, spin and lie, lie, lie! And of course, hindsight is always 20/20. No spin, just the truth. I've posted references to what Clinton did, what is in the budget, what W didn't do. And you have, nothing... but your blind convictions. Jeff Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with it
"jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Iraq was the central battleground as long we we there. Even the Islamic extremists agreed with that. Hows that? There was no alQaeda in any part of Iraq that Saddam controlled. There was only after we invaded. Get the difference? There were other good and sufficient reasons for taking out Iraq. Once we invaded we got two for the price of one. Get the difference? What difference does it make whether we kill them in Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan or anywhere else. The important thing is to kill them wherever they are. The crew in Iraq didn't exist before. Iraq turned into a huge recruiting boost for alQaeda. One of the reasons, now that we are on the way out, that their influence has fallen. That is because we defeated them in Iraq, something that would never have happened if liberal Dems had been in charge. [...] So far, Obama is making a mess of everything. Except the economy is on the mend. GDP is up, unemployment heading down. Much success in killing alQaeda. Millions of people retained their unemployment benefits. Nothing much is happening yet if you ask me. But the recession comes first. Note that the value of the dollar which had fallen so much under W is up under Obama. That borrowing rates are historically low and that the % debt to GDP was higher post war. You can not lower taxes and fix the debt. It has always been the opposite. Even Reagan and George Bush 1 had to raise taxes after a while. Trickle Down does not work. Trickle down works in the short term, but not in the long term. We all believe in the progressive income tax, don't we? All that money that W gave to the rich didn't help the economy. It wasn't invested in productive work. A lot of it went into those exotic financial instruments that wrecked the economy. Nope, we had a good economy under Bush until the bubble burst. The economy did very well under Clinton with a top marginal Tax Rate of 39.6%. Not that anyone pays that after tax breaks. What's wrong with going back to that? Yes, I am in favor of that too. There is little discretionary spending that can be cut, and the right refuses to consider tackling mandatory. The only plan they had was to privatize SS, the safety net. How many people would be destitute now if that had been in place? Agree with you on the above. I'm glad we agree on something! Bush was a big spender and he never vetoed anything. He was not a true conservative by any means. He was the darling of the conservative set, how can you deny that? You still defend and admire him. I admire Bush for taking on the Islamic extremists, something Clinton never did. The invasion of Iraq was a stroke of genius. Bravo Bush! Nope. Clinton had a comprehensive plan, one that was handed off to W who did nothing. Read Richard Clarke, George Tenet, Paul O'Neill, any of those who worked in the W Whitehouse (all Republicans) and they will tell you that W was obsessed with Saddam and cared not a whit about alQaeda, until... and then the first reaction was to go after Iraq. It was time to accomplish several things at the time. Only Bush had the guts to do it. Mind you that the designers of the first WTC attack were all arrested and successfully prosecuted. Clinton never woke up from his slumbers. He treated them as criminals, not Islamic terrorists that were at war with us. While all that was happening the right repeatedly said that Clinton was too obsessed with alQaeda. The focus shifted when W took office. And, you do realize there was no alQaeda in any part of Iraq that Saddam controlled. After the invasion, those were alQaeda converts, that didn't exist before. All for the loss of thousands of American Military personnel and many many innocent civilians (The average civilian death toll was on the order of a hundred a day for years) and a trillion dollars or so. Who cares how many Iraqis die for whatever reason. Did you care about the Iraqis that were being murdered under Saddam? Did you care about the Kurds that were being gassed to death by Saddam? American losses have also been minimal. You like statistics so much, why not compare our military losses with losses from road accidents on our highways. Or is a soldier more valuable than a civilian? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with it
"jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: "jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] I leave it to others with lesser minds than mine to supply facts. I supply ideology. Yes. Which makes you an ideologue. Someone who believes just because they do. I am a conservative ideologue based on my reading of history and my views on human nature. What do you base your beliefs on? I'm a pragmatist and know a good bit about history and warfare. You are libearl idealogeu I cna't underatdn what yo ar edoign on frugal lviing. Yo are abig spender jstu liek all liberasl are. Waht is frugal about that? I hate Leftists because they have been wrong about most everything for the past hundred years. Furthermore, it was Leftists that gave us the 20th century, the worst century in the history of the West. An odd turn there. Was it not the right wing that brought us both world wars? WWI was brought on by a general lust for war by all the great powers. It marked the end of three empires. And you think Kaiser Wilhelm, Hötzendorf and Berchtold were leftists? I clearly stated taht WWI was exceptional. WWII was brought on by Leftists like Hitler, Bzzt. Leftist? Get real, he was a right wing fascist. Fascism, pronounced /'fæ??z?m/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism[1][2][3][4] with a corporatist economic system.[5] Scholars generally consider it to be on the far right of the traditional left-right political spectrum. Jeez, I wonder where they ever got the term NAZI? Look it up! Mussolini Bzzt. fascist. and Stalin; Korea and Vietnam, again by Leftists. Or do you think republican democracies start wars? You don't have clue about the difference between being a Socialist, a Communist and a Democrat. Have you ever talked to people that lived under communism? I know quite a number that escaped from the iron curtain. There is no comparison between Obama and Communism in their minds. The goal of leftist ideology is complete control of the people. Then they find out that they can only accomplish that by dictatorship and tyranny. Why? Because your leftist crap goes against human nature and indeed history itself. [...] Let's talk about Edwards, a real scum bucket if ever there was one. Why. Is he running? Was he president? I never liked him. Did I ever say I did? Is Sarah running for president? Is he worse than Mark Sanford? Or any of the numerous closeted gay republicans that have taken a wide stance? Dems do not have enough shame to closet themselves. Barney Frank ran a male prostitution ring out of his house in Mass. Kerry was a scum bucket too. Same as above. Sanford never ran for president. Unlike Kerry, I think he always supported this nation in its wars. Repubs are not treasonous *******s like liberal Dems. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with it
"jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: "jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] The Repubs do blather on about taxes way too much I must admit. But we have got to get some control over spending. That is the problem, not taxes. [...] Exactly what spending? I've posted the links to the 2010 budget, did you look? What would you cut in the discretionary that would make a difference? ALL spending - you dolt! So, no roads, no government services of any kind. Doesn't matter what is in your sausage, your water or your air. No police, CIA, FBI or Fire Department. That is just stupid. Just cut spending. You would not know frugal if it jumped up and bit you in your ass. [...] We deep thinkers are alike in that we hate liberals. But Mass. gives us hope. Imagine people so stupid as to keep voting for Kennedy even though he was a murderer (Chappaquiddick) and a craven coward. But that is a liberal for you! I've mostly just seen seething blind hatred. Surely no reflection on past failures or what the policies will actually do. There are no numbers, no facts, just a divine belief that you are right. That is just pure crazy. You like immoral *******s like Ted Kennedy. I don't. President Kennedy was also a scofflaw and a terrible president who bungled the Cuban invasion. Apparently only the Bushs know how to invade and win. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with it
"jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Everyone in the world believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and that he would use them (as he had in the past). Apparently, only you ever believed otherwise. Nope. The Germans warned repeatedly that Curveball (that's the basis of the bio terror) was not to be relied on. In fact they never even talked to him to check (US) as he was in Germany. All that came out of some screwball report. There was plenty of evidence that the aluminum tubes were completely unsuited for centrifuges, and for multiple reasons. And there was plenty of evidence for what they were really used for. Have you ever thought of going to work for an intelligence agency? We badly need those who are expert in hindsight. Bill Sornson has posted many times what everyone was saying at the time. But of course, liberals are never deterred by any facts. I haven't seen a fact yet from you. I like facts. Show me one. Only if you tell me how you are frugal. So far, all you have done is defend big free spending liberal Dems. All liberals know how to do is spin, spin, spin and lie, lie, lie! And of course, hindsight is always 20/20. No spin, just the truth. I've posted references to what Clinton did, what is in the budget, what W didn't do. And you have, nothing... but your blind convictions. Facts are the last refuge of a scoundrel. We can all pick and choose our facts. Your liberal bias disqualifies you from having any credibility when it comes to facts. You and Tom Sherman should get together. He only likes his "liberal" facts too. I will stick with Bill Sornson who at least knows a fact when he sees one. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with it
"jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Sarah at least is not a murderer like liberals are (abortion). Why is it that right wingers care more about a 1 minute old embryo than a 1 minute old baby. Seems wrong to me. I do not support abortion willy nilly either. A human life begins at conception. A woman should not **** if she does not want a baby. A man similarly should not **** if he does not want a baby. What is there about this that you do not understand? Saint Edward the Great is the last celibate in the known universe. That is because He never wanted a baby and indeed would not mind if mankind perished from this earth. Now perhaps you get a glimmer of what is meant by frugal living! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it
Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Iraq was the central battleground as long we we there. Even the Islamic extremists agreed with that. Hows that? There was no alQaeda in any part of Iraq that Saddam controlled. There was only after we invaded. Get the difference? There were other good and sufficient reasons for taking out Iraq. So it had nothing to do with the real reason. And just what was that? What justifies the loss of 4K Americans, 100's of thousand of innocent civilians and the inexorable rise of Iran? Once we invaded we got two for the price of one. Get the difference? There is little benefit for the cost paid. Your reasons look like accidents. What difference does it make whether we kill them in Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan or anywhere else. The important thing is to kill them wherever they are. The crew in Iraq didn't exist before. Iraq turned into a huge recruiting boost for alQaeda. One of the reasons, now that we are on the way out, that their influence has fallen. That is because we defeated them in Iraq, something that would never have happened if liberal Dems had been in charge. Wrong. The alQaeda threat in Pak remained, it didn't move to Iraq so we could kill them there. It grew dramatically. You think alQaeda just got on the bus and moved from Islamabad to Baghdad. Crazy. The amount of foreign born alQaeda in Iraq was never more that 5% or so of alQaeda's strength. [...] So far, Obama is making a mess of everything. Except the economy is on the mend. GDP is up, unemployment heading down. Much success in killing alQaeda. Millions of people retained their unemployment benefits. Nothing much is happening yet if you ask me. Doesn't seem like you know much. http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/nati...ewsrelease.htm Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- increased at an annual rate of 5.7 percent in the fourth quarter of 2009, (that is, from the third quarter to the fourth quarter), according to the "advance" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the third quarter, real GDP increased 2.2 percent. But the recession comes first. Note that the value of the dollar which had fallen so much under W is up under Obama. That borrowing rates are historically low and that the % debt to GDP was higher post war. You can not lower taxes and fix the debt. It has always been the opposite. Even Reagan and George Bush 1 had to raise taxes after a while. Trickle Down does not work. Trickle down works in the short term, but not in the long term. We all believe in the progressive income tax, don't we? All that money that W gave to the rich didn't help the economy. It wasn't invested in productive work. A lot of it went into those exotic financial instruments that wrecked the economy. Nope, we had a good economy under Bush until the bubble burst. Really. It was all bubble. The size of the workforce rose by less than 2%, normal growth is 2% a year, not over 8 years. GDP was markedly worse than under Clinton, or almost anyone else. The financial system collapsed. And that is your opinion of a good economy? The economy did very well under Clinton with a top marginal Tax Rate of 39.6%. Not that anyone pays that after tax breaks. What's wrong with going back to that? Yes, I am in favor of that too. Good. There is little discretionary spending that can be cut, and the right refuses to consider tackling mandatory. The only plan they had was to privatize SS, the safety net. How many people would be destitute now if that had been in place? Agree with you on the above. I'm glad we agree on something! Bush was a big spender and he never vetoed anything. He was not a true conservative by any means. He was the darling of the conservative set, how can you deny that? You still defend and admire him. I admire Bush for taking on the Islamic extremists, something Clinton never did. The invasion of Iraq was a stroke of genius. Bravo Bush! Nope. Clinton had a comprehensive plan, one that was handed off to W who did nothing. Read Richard Clarke, George Tenet, Paul O'Neill, any of those who worked in the W Whitehouse (all Republicans) and they will tell you that W was obsessed with Saddam and cared not a whit about alQaeda, until... and then the first reaction was to go after Iraq. It was time to accomplish several things at the time. Only Bush had the guts to do it. Exactly what did he accomplish? He didn't finish anything and left a huge deteriorating mess in Afghanistan. The first thing Obama did was double the commitment to Afghanistan, something that had been needed for years and was turned down under W. Mind you that the designers of the first WTC attack were all arrested and successfully prosecuted. Clinton never woke up from his slumbers. He treated them as criminals, not Islamic terrorists that were at war with us. Er, how was Richard Reid prosecuted under W? In fact there have been many successful terrorist prosecution and absolutely none under a military commission. You believe in a fairy tale. While all that was happening the right repeatedly said that Clinton was too obsessed with alQaeda. The focus shifted when W took office. And, you do realize there was no alQaeda in any part of Iraq that Saddam controlled. After the invasion, those were alQaeda converts, that didn't exist before. All for the loss of thousands of American Military personnel and many many innocent civilians (The average civilian death toll was on the order of a hundred a day for years) and a trillion dollars or so. Who cares how many Iraqis die for whatever reason. Well that sums up your feelings doesn't it? Jeff Did you care about the Iraqis that were being murdered under Saddam? Did you care about the Kurds that were being gassed to death by Saddam? American losses have also been minimal. You like statistics so much, why not compare our military losses with losses from road accidents on our highways. Or is a soldier more valuable than a civilian? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it
Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: "jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] I leave it to others with lesser minds than mine to supply facts. I supply ideology. Yes. Which makes you an ideologue. Someone who believes just because they do. I am a conservative ideologue based on my reading of history and my views on human nature. What do you base your beliefs on? I'm a pragmatist and know a good bit about history and warfare. You are libearl idealogeu I cna't underatdn what yo ar edoign on frugal lviing. Yo are abig spender jstu liek all liberasl are. Waht is frugal about that? You are so upset you can't even hit the right keys! You are clueless because you only believe what you want, you haven't really looked into anything other than to take someones word for it. In fact I work at lowering my cost of living. I have a largely solar heated home (all home made) and am currently making multiple layer mylar insulating windows. I hate Leftists because they have been wrong about most everything for the past hundred years. Furthermore, it was Leftists that gave us the 20th century, the worst century in the history of the West. An odd turn there. Was it not the right wing that brought us both world wars? WWI was brought on by a general lust for war by all the great powers. It marked the end of three empires. And you think Kaiser Wilhelm, Hötzendorf and Berchtold were leftists? I clearly stated taht WWI was exceptional. WWII was brought on by Leftists like Hitler, Bzzt. Leftist? Get real, he was a right wing fascist. Fascism, pronounced /'fæ??z?m/, is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism[1][2][3][4] with a corporatist economic system.[5] Scholars generally consider it to be on the far right of the traditional left-right political spectrum. Jeez, I wonder where they ever got the term NAZI? Look it up! So just because it has the word socialist it is the same as the USSR? That is rather superficial, don't you think? I suppose North Korea is a democracy because it is the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea? Mussolini Bzzt. fascist. and Stalin; Korea and Vietnam, again by Leftists. Or do you think republican democracies start wars? You don't have clue about the difference between being a Socialist, a Communist and a Democrat. Have you ever talked to people that lived under communism? I know quite a number that escaped from the iron curtain. There is no comparison between Obama and Communism in their minds. The goal of leftist ideology is complete control of the people. Then they find out that they can only accomplish that by dictatorship and tyranny. Why? Because your leftist crap goes against human nature and indeed history itself. You have made up a strawman of your own creation to attack. The Democratic party does not enforce any dictates, unlike the Republicans who are noted for party discipline and intolerance. [...] Let's talk about Edwards, a real scum bucket if ever there was one. Why. Is he running? Was he president? I never liked him. Did I ever say I did? Is Sarah running for president? It appears so. She has specifically said she might. Is he worse than Mark Sanford? Or any of the numerous closeted gay republicans that have taken a wide stance? Dems do not have enough shame to closet themselves. Barney Frank ran a male prostitution ring out of his house in Mass. You have not a shred of proof. Kerry was a scum bucket too. Same as above. Sanford never ran for president. He was the next great Republican hope. Unlike Kerry, I think he always supported this nation in its wars. Repubs are not treasonous *******s like liberal Dems. I remember Orin Hatch giving away military secrets. In fact there are far more Democrats in Congress with military records than Republicans. Jeff Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishingus with it
Edward Dolan wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: "jeff" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] The Repubs do blather on about taxes way too much I must admit. But we have got to get some control over spending. That is the problem, not taxes. [...] Exactly what spending? I've posted the links to the 2010 budget, did you look? What would you cut in the discretionary that would make a difference? ALL spending - you dolt! So, no roads, no government services of any kind. Doesn't matter what is in your sausage, your water or your air. No police, CIA, FBI or Fire Department. That is just stupid. Just cut spending. You would not know frugal if it jumped up and bit you in your ass. What spending? There is little that can be cut. [...] We deep thinkers are alike in that we hate liberals. But Mass. gives us hope. Imagine people so stupid as to keep voting for Kennedy even though he was a murderer (Chappaquiddick) and a craven coward. But that is a liberal for you! I've mostly just seen seething blind hatred. Surely no reflection on past failures or what the policies will actually do. There are no numbers, no facts, just a divine belief that you are right. That is just pure crazy. You like immoral *******s like Ted Kennedy. I don't. President Kennedy was also a scofflaw and a terrible president who bungled the Cuban invasion. Apparently only the Bushs know how to invade and win. Er win? Democrats have actually won more wars in recent history than Republicans. WWI, WWII, Korea, Kosovo all waged and won by democratic presidents. Seems to me that both Bushes left the Iraq war unfinished. And Nixon bailed on Vietnam. Jeff Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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