winter gloves follow up

"remy1942" wrote in message
...
I might try getting my money back for those gloves but it's been a month
and the store policy has a two week return. Toady I bought a pair of
Craft Pro Layer 1 which I will use either as an insert to those Columbia
gloves or another pair.

aaaaaaarrrggggggggg

Gloves just don't cut it but I have an answer Pogies: Another solution
is Pogies. Bike pogies are oversized mittens that fit over the
handlebars. They let you ride barehanded when you'd wear gloves and let
you wear gloves when you'd need heavy mittens or gloves.

I've been following up on this, but here's a caveat about webshopping: I got
a pair of pogies meant for motorcycle use. They are far too big, intended
to cover things like handlebar mounted fluid reservois etc that you find
around the handgrip on a motorcycle. I would like to find the same concept
executed for pedal-cycles.

As regards extremities, I think it is important to keep the ankles and
wrists warm and covered - if not, the blood flows in an exposed area on the
way to the extremities and probably gets cooled here even if gloves and foot
covers are otherwise effective.

SteveC

DH wrote:
: I bought a pair of Columbia's top of the line gloves (model SM9125). I
: bought them a month ago, but last night was the first real cold night in
: that month and so I thought I'd give them a try. My wife and I biked for
: about an hour in near freezing temperature.

I have some 10 eurobucks ski gloves that are good down to almost 0
C. I doubt the fancy 80 buck cycling gloves would be any better...
I switch to heavier ski gloves after that.

For real weather I have Burton snowboard mitts. Come with
removable fleece lining and big enough to fit an additional wool
mitt inside. Should be good enough for a windy -15 C day (not so
common here :-) Thin gloves and the mitts could make a nice very
practical combination for weather that's not so cold.

--
Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/

What Risto said. Ski gloves come much further up the arms than cycling ones
(which is nice if you still wear indescribably ancient and shrunken
jerseys). I have a nice shiny new pair which have so far laughed at
anything the weather has thrown at them which, admittedly, is not that much
yet. We shall see...

--

Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:04:49 -0000, "Dave Larrington"
wrote:

Ski gloves come much further up the arms than cycling ones
(which is nice if you still wear indescribably ancient and shrunken
jerseys).

One of the areas in which we win, of course - no need for padded
palms, so we can buy the best damn gloves in the world and not worry
about numb thumbs :-)

Guy
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http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk

Mikael Seierup wrote:

: Lovely sunshine here today and 5C. Rode 2 hours along slightly iced over ponds
: and creeks and along a nice darkblue ocean. If nothing else it gets the blood
: flowing and wakes me up.

Post pictures!!!

: The day might only be 7 1/2 hours long right now
: but it was a very nice one and in a week or so it starts getting lighter again.

7.5 hours of daylight? Some people are spoiled!

--
Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
: One of the areas in which we win, of course - no need for padded
: palms, so we can buy the best damn gloves in the world and not worry
: about numb thumbs :-)

In my experience ski + glove = padding. On the other hand we can
save on riding suits because we could just take running suits or
generic outdoors suits (goretex for 100 eurobucks etc). No need
for fancy things like pockets in the back.

--
Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/

You might want to look at these

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_d...=1071287356125

if you havn't seen them already. I just got a pair and am impressed with
the quality.

-- rtmc


"DH" wrote in message
...
| ... Also, I will
| see if I can find a pair of poagies. I still like my idea of making a
| small plastic windscreen for the handlebars, just small enough to go over
| my hands.
:
| Dave Horne
|

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

One of the areas in which we win, of course - no need for padded
palms, so we can buy the best damn gloves in the world and not worry
about numb thumbs :-)

Except that the Speedmachine is in a Several of pieces strewn about
Larrington Towers, the Baron is utterly unsuitable for commuting duties and
the Trice not due until February, ergo I am currently using a Trek 4300 with
slicks, mudguards and a boingy seatpost...

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Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
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..... more ... I wrote a letter to Columbia in the US and just now received
a call from someone representing them in the Netherlands. They will send
me a free pair of gloves. This seems like excellent service. What
follows is my letter to them from Dec 8 (the euro symbol may not display
properly):

Columbia Sportswear Company
14375 NW Science Park Drive
Portland, OR 97229-5418
USA
Monday, December 08, 2003


Dear Sir or Madam,

I have a complaint regarding one of your products, your top of the line
gloves, model SM9125. They are black in color, have an insert lining and
the word Titanium on the outer shell.

I bought them about a month ago for € 54.99 and only used them for the
first time last night. The weather here has been fairly warm this winter
and last night was the first time in about a month it was cold enough for
me to wear them. I biked for about an hour and my fingers were cold. My
wife wore a pair of fleece gloves that had Thinsulate insulation and her
hands were toasty. Her gloves are in essence just an ‘insert’, cost one
third the price or less than mine, have less than half the mass of mine,
and yet she kept warm while I did not. I naturally assumed that my thick
gloves, with its lining insert, would do the trick in cold weather. I was
wrong. The temperature last night was not, I believe, below freezing, and
I was personally surprised that your gloves did not keep me warm.

When I bought the gloves, I had a long discussion with an employee of
Perry Sports in Den Bosch (‘s Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands). The
weather was warm at that time and I knew I could not judge if the gloves
would keep me warm or not. I do a fair amount of biking and really need
to have good gloves to keep my hands warm. I was told if I used the
gloves instead of just wearing the gloves, I could not return them if I
were unhappy. In order for me to use the gloves, I have to bike for an
hour or two to know for sure. Also, to compound the issue, the gloves
were bought about a month ago which is well outside of Perry Sport’s two
week return period. I still have the Perry Sport price tag from the
purchase and the original receipt.

At this point, I do not expect anything from you, but want you to know
that I am very unhappy with a product of yours. Today, as a possible
solution to my problem, I have additionally purchased a pair of Craft Pro
Layer 1 liners (€ 13.99) and will use them as inserts for the Titanium
shells to replace the original inserts. I was assured by a manager of
Perry Sports that these Craft Pro Layer 1 gloves/inserts would keep me
warm and I hope he is right.

Your gloves look like they are designed for skiing and if I am
disappointed biking with them at speeds of 15 – 20 kph in or near freezing
temperatures, I can well imagine I am not alone in being disappointed.


Sincerely yours,



Dave Horne

"DH" wrote in message
...
.... more ... I wrote a letter to Columbia in the US and just now received
a call from someone representing them in the Netherlands. They will send
me a free pair of gloves. This seems like excellent service. What
follows is my letter to them from Dec 8 (the euro symbol may not display
properly):

Columbia Sportswear Company
14375 NW Science Park Drive
Portland, OR 97229-5418
USA
Monday, December 08, 2003


Dear Sir or Madam,

I have a complaint regarding one of your products, your top of the line
gloves, model SM9125. They are black in color, have an insert lining and
the word Titanium on the outer shell.

I bought them about a month ago for ? 54.99 and only used them for the
first time last night. The weather here has been fairly warm this winter
and last night was the first time in about a month it was cold enough for
me to wear them. I biked for about an hour and my fingers were cold. My
wife wore a pair of fleece gloves that had Thinsulate insulation and her
hands were toasty. Her gloves are in essence just an 'insert', cost one
third the price or less than mine, have less than half the mass of mine,
and yet she kept warm while I did not. I naturally assumed that my thick
gloves, with its lining insert, would do the trick in cold weather. I was
wrong. The temperature last night was not, I believe, below freezing, and
I was personally surprised that your gloves did not keep me warm.
snip

Great, another pair of gloves, just like the other ones that won't keep your
hands warm! at least they're free.