Will it open on time

On May 16, 9:22*pm, Bertie Wooster wrote:


Having been build and paid for by non motorists, motorists now use it
free of charge and non-motorists banned. It therefore would be right
for non-motorists to be provided with a free alternative.

Just remind us again why cyclists should be subsidised by the rest of society.

Are we? I expect I pay more tax than the average motorist, and I pay
VED to boot.

Same here - in fact I pay more in road tax and fuel duties in foreign
countries than the average driver pays over here.
Last year I hade to pay £200 just for insurance alone to get into
Serbia and Macedonia with the road tolls on top,

--
Simon Mason

On Wed, 16 May 2012 23:23:22 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 21:22, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:35:38 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 20:25, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:10:47 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:40:38 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 21:25, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my offer of a
modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be, or Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can cross under
the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are banned from the
Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

And there is also the little matter of a minimum of about 8p a mile in other
taxes. And insurance premium tax.

The Emirates Air Line is 0.61 miles long. Rounded up to the nearest
penny, that would make a charge of 5p. Assuming the average car weighs
1000Kg and the average human 75Kg the charge should be 1p (rounded up
from 0.366p).

You seem to have made the mistake of thinking that the cost of paying for and
operating an expensive white elephant is about the same per trip as the price
for fuel involved in driving a small car for about a kilometre.

But that's OK. You can already see where you went wrong.

And you seem to have made the mistake of thinking the Blackwall Tunnel
was built for motor vehicles.

It wasn't. Neither were Tottenham Court Road, Shaftesbury Avenue, Charing
Cross Road or Whitehall (or for that matter, certain quite long stretches of
the A1, A10, A2, A5 or A46).

But so what?

Having been build and paid for by non motorists, motorists now use it
free of charge and non-motorists banned.

Not so. Take a taxi.

It therefore would be right
for non-motorists to be provided with a free alternative.

A "free" alternative paid for by others?

Don't forget... non motorists paid for the Blackwall Tunnel.

Just remind us again why cyclists should be subsidised by the rest of society.

Are we? I expect I pay more tax than the average motorist, and I pay
VED to boot.

Use your car, then, and stop complaining.

On Wed, 16 May 2012 19:18:39 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 22:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:25:17 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my offer of a
modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be, or Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can cross under
the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are banned from the
Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

Audi A1
Audi A3
BMW New 1 Series
Fiat New Panda
Ford Fiesta
Toyota Yaris
Vauxhall Corsa
Vauxhall Astra
Volkswagen Up!
Volkswagen Golf


Why are cyclists such ****wits?

So, you have managed to find 10 cars that pay zero Road Tax. What a
clever little boy, mummy will be proud.

Now list the cars which are subject to Road Tax and stop trying to be a
clever twunt.

Now one with any intelligence would think that VED is a tax used to
pay for roads

On Wed, 16 May 2012 19:18:39 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:

twunt.

Blasphemous language opposes the authority of the church. Insults are
often expressed with profanity, using words and gesture that are rude and
disrespectful.



--
Life is a venereal disease with 100% mortality.

On 17/05/2012 07:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 23:23:22 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 21:22, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:35:38 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 20:25, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:10:47 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:40:38 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 21:25, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my offer of a
modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be, or Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can cross under
the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are banned from the
Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

And there is also the little matter of a minimum of about 8p a mile in other
taxes. And insurance premium tax.

The Emirates Air Line is 0.61 miles long. Rounded up to the nearest
penny, that would make a charge of 5p. Assuming the average car weighs
1000Kg and the average human 75Kg the charge should be 1p (rounded up
from 0.366p).

You seem to have made the mistake of thinking that the cost of paying for and
operating an expensive white elephant is about the same per trip as the price
for fuel involved in driving a small car for about a kilometre.

But that's OK. You can already see where you went wrong.

And you seem to have made the mistake of thinking the Blackwall Tunnel
was built for motor vehicles.

It wasn't. Neither were Tottenham Court Road, Shaftesbury Avenue, Charing
Cross Road or Whitehall (or for that matter, certain quite long stretches of
the A1, A10, A2, A5 or A46).

But so what?

Having been build and paid for by non motorists, motorists now use it
free of charge and non-motorists banned.

Not so. Take a taxi.

It therefore would be right
for non-motorists to be provided with a free alternative.

A "free" alternative paid for by others?

Don't forget... non motorists paid for the Blackwall Tunnel.

Non-motorists paid for the entire road network in the Roman Empire.

So what?

Just remind us again why cyclists should be subsidised by the rest of society.

Are we? I expect I pay more tax than the average motorist, and I pay
VED to boot.

Use your car, then, and stop complaining.

On May 17, 8:00*am, (Cassandra) wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 19:18:39 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR









wrote:
On 15/05/2012 22:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:25:17 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
*wrote:

On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my offer of a
modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be, or Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can cross under
the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are banned from the
Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

Audi * * * * * A1
Audi * * * * * A3
BMW * * * * * *New 1 Series
Fiat * * * * * New Panda
Ford * * * * * Fiesta
Toyota * * * * Yaris
Vauxhall * * * Corsa
Vauxhall * * * Astra
Volkswagen * * Up!
Volkswagen * * Golf

Why are cyclists such ****wits?

So, you have managed to find 10 cars that pay zero Road Tax. *What a
clever little boy, mummy will be proud.

Now list the cars which are subject to Road Tax and stop trying to be a
clever twunt.

Now one with any intelligence would think that VED is a tax used to
pay for roads

Indeed - and it has not done for 76 years but it takes time to sink
into some people's thick skull.

--
Simon Mason

On 17/05/2012 08:00, Cassandra wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 19:18:39 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 22:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:25:17 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my offer of a
modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be, or Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can cross under
the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are banned from the
Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

Audi A1
Audi A3
BMW New 1 Series
Fiat New Panda
Ford Fiesta
Toyota Yaris
Vauxhall Corsa
Vauxhall Astra
Volkswagen Up!
Volkswagen Golf


Why are cyclists such ****wits?

So, you have managed to find 10 cars that pay zero Road Tax. What a
clever little boy, mummy will be proud.

Now list the cars which are subject to Road Tax and stop trying to be a
clever twunt.

Now one with any intelligence would think that VED is a tax used to
pay for roads

Road Tax (as it's generally known) is a 'specific' 'extra' tax without
which you cannot drive (the vast majority) of cars on the 'roads'.

Now (sic) one with any intelligence would think that it was anything else.



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On 16/05/2012 21:24, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 21:00:18 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 20:35, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2012 20:25, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:10:47 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:40:38 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 21:25, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my
offer of a
modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be, or
Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can cross
under
the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are banned from the
Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

And there is also the little matter of a minimum of about 8p a mile
in other
taxes. And insurance premium tax.

The Emirates Air Line is 0.61 miles long. Rounded up to the nearest
penny, that would make a charge of 5p. Assuming the average car weighs
1000Kg and the average human 75Kg the charge should be 1p (rounded up
from 0.366p).

You seem to have made the mistake of thinking that the cost of paying
for and
operating an expensive white elephant is about the same per trip as
the price
for fuel involved in driving a small car for about a kilometre.

But that's OK. You can already see where you went wrong.

And you seem to have made the mistake of thinking the Blackwall Tunnel
was built for motor vehicles.

It wasn't. Neither were Tottenham Court Road, Shaftesbury Avenue,
Charing Cross Road or Whitehall (or for that matter, certain quite long
stretches of the A1, A10, A2, A5 or A46).

But so what?

Just remind us again why cyclists should be subsidised by the rest of
society.



Because they are sponging freeloaders?

This from the man who claims a high income and pays virtually no tax.

But I do pay Road Tax.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On May 17, 2:42*pm, Simon Mason wrote:
On May 17, 8:00*am, (Cassandra) wrote:









On Wed, 16 May 2012 19:18:39 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR

wrote:
On 15/05/2012 22:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:25:17 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
*wrote:

On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my offer of a
modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be, or Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can cross under
the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are banned from the
Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

Audi * * * * * A1
Audi * * * * * A3
BMW * * * * * *New 1 Series
Fiat * * * * * New Panda
Ford * * * * * Fiesta
Toyota * * * * Yaris
Vauxhall * * * Corsa
Vauxhall * * * Astra
Volkswagen * * Up!
Volkswagen * * Golf

Why are cyclists such ****wits?

So, you have managed to find 10 cars that pay zero Road Tax. *What a
clever little boy, mummy will be proud.

Now list the cars which are subject to Road Tax and stop trying to be a
clever twunt.

Now one with any intelligence would think that VED is a tax used to
pay for roads

Indeed - and it has not done for 76 years but it takes time to sink
into some people's thick skull.

These are proper road taxes though.

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/roadtax2.jpg

I don't mind paying those as the Austrians and Swiss DO fund their
motorways out of those taxes.


--
Simon Mason

On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:28:23 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 17/05/2012 08:00, Cassandra wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 19:18:39 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 22:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:25:17 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my offer of a
modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be, or Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can cross under
the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are banned from the
Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

Audi A1
Audi A3
BMW New 1 Series
Fiat New Panda
Ford Fiesta
Toyota Yaris
Vauxhall Corsa
Vauxhall Astra
Volkswagen Up!
Volkswagen Golf


Why are cyclists such ****wits?

So, you have managed to find 10 cars that pay zero Road Tax. What a
clever little boy, mummy will be proud.

Now list the cars which are subject to Road Tax and stop trying to be a
clever twunt.

Now one with any intelligence would think that VED is a tax used to
pay for roads

Road Tax (as it's generally known) is a 'specific' 'extra' tax without
which you cannot drive (the vast majority) of cars on the 'roads'.

Road Tax (as it's mistakenly known) is a 'specific' 'extra' tax
without which you cannot drive (the vast majority) of motor vehicles
on a public highway. A bicycle is not a motor vehicle.

Do you get ****ed off millions of people are avoiding death duty by
not being dead? Did you know this is exclusively used to fund
graveyards but the living walk round free of charge?

Although I'm quite happy for cyclists to pay VED under the current
emmision based system, or in fact the previous system based on
cylinder displacement.