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On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:09:16 -0500, Gregory Sutter
wrote: On 2016-09-30, Jeff Liebermann wrote: While I realize that this might be heresy, I think Sheldon was wrong because the factory grease is a dirt magnet. However, I use NBC (nothing but cheapest) chains, which may use a uniquely cheap grease. As a Sheldon trufan (the only sticker allowed on my favorite bike is of He Who Rode With Eagle), I use stickers to hide rust, chipped pain, and dings. https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle+stickers&tbm=isch I'm appalled--but I also think you're right. Shimano chains come in a sticky grease that is good for storage; I've never found it to be good lube for an in-service chain. I did some Googling to determine what chain manufacturers are using. I couldn't find much that was definitive. The consensus seems to be that it's a wax, not a grease. One candiate is some form of graphite and wax mix: http://www.putoline.com/en/catalogue/product/140/chain-wax/1675/ SRAM allegedly uses some wax by Gleitmo, but no clue exactly which type. Maybe one of these chain oils: http://www.fuchs-lubritech.com/products/lubricating-fluids/overview/product/list/chain-oils-96.html Several 30 year old Sedis chains smell like they were lubricated with lard (pig fat). -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Gregory Sutter wrote in
: On 2016-09-30, Jeff Liebermann wrote: While I realize that this might be heresy, I think Sheldon was wrong because the factory grease is a dirt magnet. However, I use NBC (nothing but cheapest) chains, which may use a uniquely cheap grease. As a Sheldon trufan (the only sticker allowed on my favorite bike is of He Who Rode With Eagle), I'm appalled--but I also think you're right. Shimano chains come in a sticky grease that is good for storage; I've never found it to be good lube for an in-service chain. Would it be similar to the volatile corrosion inhibitor that armaments depot use on small arms going into long-term storage? -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 14:10:34 -0000 (UTC), Andrew Chaplin
wrote: Would it be similar to the volatile corrosion inhibitor that armaments depot use on small arms going into long-term storage? Cosmoline. I can see you've never hand to clean or handle Cosmoline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmoline http://www.cosmolinedirect.com/cosmoline-greases/ It's an oil and wax mix rust preventive, that's rather messy to remove. It has no lubricating qualities, requires solvent to remove (doesn't wipe off easily), and covers a wide range of compositions, mostly made from petroleum refinery waste products. Unlike the transparent grease/wax used on bicycle chains, Cosmoline is a brown tar like goo. I don't think it will be suitable for bicycle chains, expect possibly for long term storage. Should one choose to be mummified and buried with one's bicycle, Cosmoline might be a suitable preservative for both the bicycle and its former rider. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote in
: On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 14:10:34 -0000 (UTC), Andrew Chaplin wrote: Would it be similar to the volatile corrosion inhibitor that armaments depot use on small arms going into long-term storage? Cosmoline. I can see you've never hand to clean or handle Cosmoline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmoline http://www.cosmolinedirect.com/cosmoline-greases/ It's an oil and wax mix rust preventive, that's rather messy to remove. It has no lubricating qualities, requires solvent to remove (doesn't wipe off easily), and covers a wide range of compositions, mostly made from petroleum refinery waste products. Unlike the transparent grease/wax used on bicycle chains, Cosmoline is a brown tar like goo. I don't think it will be suitable for bicycle chains, expect possibly for long term storage. Should one choose to be mummified and buried with one's bicycle, Cosmoline might be a suitable preservative for both the bicycle and its former rider. I have had to deal with a Canadian formulation of VCI. I was a soldier, and whenever you went on something like a junior NCO course, they would cycle rifles out of long-term storage, issue them to your course, and you'd be hard pressed to have them ready for inspection the next morning. Yes, it was brown and sticky. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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On 30/09/16 22:35, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:31:43 +0700, John B. wrote: If not than perhaps the best solution would be to devise a method of chain lubrication that would emulate the original factory lubrication. I'll resist the temptation to scrape off sufficient grease from my new chains still in the box to analyze. Sticky goo, that collects quite a bit of dust to produce a tar like coating has been my experience. While I realize that this might be heresy, I think Sheldon was wrong because the factory grease is a dirt magnet. However, I use NBC (nothing but cheapest) chains, which may use a uniquely cheap grease. A few years ago I needed to replace the rear sprocket thingy - it seemed like a new chain to go with it was the right thing to do (the chainwheel looked OK). The sprocket doofer was Shimano and the chain was lower middle price range - the chain was knackered after a few months. peers into toolbox I don't have a sprocket doofer! Do I need one? |
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On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 07:09:38 +0200, Tosspot
wrote: On 30/09/16 22:35, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:31:43 +0700, John B. wrote: If not than perhaps the best solution would be to devise a method of chain lubrication that would emulate the original factory lubrication. I'll resist the temptation to scrape off sufficient grease from my new chains still in the box to analyze. Sticky goo, that collects quite a bit of dust to produce a tar like coating has been my experience. While I realize that this might be heresy, I think Sheldon was wrong because the factory grease is a dirt magnet. However, I use NBC (nothing but cheapest) chains, which may use a uniquely cheap grease. A few years ago I needed to replace the rear sprocket thingy - it seemed like a new chain to go with it was the right thing to do (the chainwheel looked OK). The sprocket doofer was Shimano and the chain was lower middle price range - the chain was knackered after a few months. peers into toolbox I don't have a sprocket doofer! Do I need one? I believe that the well equipped cyclist will have not only a Doofer but also a Doofer Wrench :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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On 10/6/2016 12:09 AM, Tosspot wrote:
On 30/09/16 22:35, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:31:43 +0700, John B. wrote: If not than perhaps the best solution would be to devise a method of chain lubrication that would emulate the original factory lubrication. I'll resist the temptation to scrape off sufficient grease from my new chains still in the box to analyze. Sticky goo, that collects quite a bit of dust to produce a tar like coating has been my experience. While I realize that this might be heresy, I think Sheldon was wrong because the factory grease is a dirt magnet. However, I use NBC (nothing but cheapest) chains, which may use a uniquely cheap grease. A few years ago I needed to replace the rear sprocket thingy - it seemed like a new chain to go with it was the right thing to do (the chainwheel looked OK). The sprocket doofer was Shimano and the chain was lower middle price range - the chain was knackered after a few months. peers into toolbox I don't have a sprocket doofer! Do I need one? Not if you can ride a bicycle undoofed. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Hanging n reverse hanging has potential as chain stretches to ground, links connection surfaces move ground ward...thus ?
speculate ? Chains are hung opposite running force direction after cleating then rec leaned n rehung into the correct running position. True but pass the used brake fluid por favor .. |
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Cosmoline...remember Cosmo ?
On Triumphs off the boat...on same lot as a rare Toyota Mayflower https://goo.gl/images/WtfXJa |
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