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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...ng/6687307.stm Looks like Telekom ran a stealthier operation than Festina in the 90s. |
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petulance wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...ng/6687307.stm Looks like Telekom ran a stealthier operation than Festina in the 90s. That piece leaves out an important quote from Zabel: "It doesn't make any difference whether it happened one time or over two years, the point is that it was forbidden to dope, and I doped. I doped, I lied and I apologize for that." -- Shane Stanley |
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Full credit to those who come out and admit they doped, it takes a big man (woman) to do so. I've no doubt that there were more riders doping than not and hopefully some others may now come out and admit their mistakes for which their teams, sponsors and associates will generally share the blame. It is sad but a good thing for the sport. What ramifications though? Surely no-one will be able to prove now that they were completely clean and thus claim that they should have won a race they lost to a 'doper'.... With Bjarne Riis to talk tomorrow there may be more honest revelations.. My 2c Stewart -- osc |
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:10:56 +1000, osc wrote:
Full credit to those who come out and admit they doped A bit less credit when their careers are over or almost over, though. -- Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw |
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Michael Warner Wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:10:56 +1000, osc wrote: Full credit to those who come out and admit they doped A bit less credit when their careers are over or almost over, though. -- Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvwCan't hold too much against Zabel though. He tried epo for 1 week in 1996, when it seems apparent that the enire peloton was most likely using. He has had a magnificent career which in my opinion should not be tarnished by this revelation. -- The Double Zero |
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Next please!
petulance wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...ng/6687307.stm Looks like Telekom ran a stealthier operation than Festina in the 90s. http://procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2826 So who was the first "clean" rider in 96? Jan? mmm, Veranque? Not likely Laurent Dufaux? Hmm he rode for Festina also. Peter Luttenberger maybe? Parbs |
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Stewart writes - I've no doubt that there were more riders doping than not Whilst ever the test remains testing or not testing positve to a banned substance, the challenge will remain "my pharmacist can beat your pharmacist". Pro cycling is just a reflection of a wider community attitude - we are awash in pharmacuticals but like to pretend the illegal ones aren't happening, can be effectively restricted or are only used by ethically inferior individuals. Occasional occurences of honesty are however unusual and welcome. Zabel was a remarkable athlete, whatever he was on, and that most remarkable of creatures, a likeable sprinter. Shine on Erik. best, Andrew |
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In aus.bicycle on Sun, 27 May 2007 09:59:56 +1000
Andrew Price wrote: Stewart writes - I've no doubt that there were more riders doping than not Whilst ever the test remains testing or not testing positve to a banned substance, the challenge will remain "my pharmacist can beat your pharmacist". Pro cycling is just a reflection of a wider community attitude - we are awash in pharmacuticals but like to pretend the illegal ones aren't happening, can be effectively restricted or are only used by ethically inferior individuals. Whereas use of legal ones is heavily encouraged with some lip service to problems. (consider the heavy advertising of vitamin supplements, caffeine, feelgood things like chocolate, and so on. never mind alcohol!) I think most people comprehend that legal/illegal is just about whose money speaks more... Zebee |
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The Double Zero Wrote: Can't hold too much against Zabel though. He tried epo for 1 week in 1996, when it seems apparent that the enire peloton was most likely using. He has had a magnificent career which in my opinion should not be tarnished by this revelation. well, he says he tried it for one week. Could it be one of those "I didn't inhale" type of confessions? -- ProfTournesol |
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