Michael J. Vandeman Supports The Direct Pollution of The DelicateUpper Troposphere and Lower Stratosphere

On Feb 11, 8:15*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:22:19 GMT, "JP" wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
.. .

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, *or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment.

Prove it, liar.

I am not sure what is worse, the fact that I have a busy msg thread,
that is completely off topic, or that I was the one that started this.
Anyway, can't beat them, joining them.

As for the tree hugging hippy crap, my only thoughts are, WTF.

I am sure that most people in this news group, such as myself, ride
mountain bike because we enjoy it. We commute to work via bike because
it is convenient, or more economical then driving.
I own a minivan and a large car. The kids and wife will not fit in a
electric clown car, which would cost me more $$ to purchase, more $$
to maintain, and would cause more damage to the environment being
manufactured and disposed of.

As for the sailboat crap, I have never seen a sailboat designed for
the ocean that did not have multiple engines. Before I get beat up on
this, consider where the drinking water comes from, the power for
lights, and how the F*%K do you move a boat into port.

In a country of about 3 people per km (less then 1 per km in my area),
nature is doing fine.

One word of advise, if you see mother bear on the trails, leave her
alone. She will not think twice of pollution your rotting ass will
cause.

Mike

/RANT

On Feb 13, 8:16*am, mike wrote:


As for the sailboat crap, I have never seen a sailboat designed for
the ocean that did not have multiple engines. Before I get beat up on
this, consider where the drinking water comes from, the power for
lights, and how the F*%K do you move a boat into port.



The Mayflower had NO engines! DUH!

It's not about sailboats, it's hypocrites.

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:56:08 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
wrote:

On Feb 13, 8:16*am, mike wrote:


As for the sailboat crap, I have never seen a sailboat designed for
the ocean that did not have multiple engines. Before I get beat up on
this, consider where the drinking water comes from, the power for
lights, and how the F*%K do you move a boat into port.



The Mayflower had NO engines! DUH!

It's not about sailboats, it's hypocrites.

Just as a useless data point, I owned and lived on a yawl (type of
sailboat) in Hawaii that was built to race the "Mini-Transpac" (race
from California to Hawaii) that was not designed to have any engine at
all. Many is the time I sailed (without engine power) out of my slip
in the Ala Wai Yacht Harbor and then later back in and tied up at the
slip all without any engine power whatsoever. As for water, I carried
that in containers, as many ocean sailors do, and about the only
lights I ever ran at sea were running lights -- I had no engine,
alternator or inverter to run those -- they ran off a battery, charged
with shore power in port. If it needed to be recharged while out at
sea, there are many types of solar cells or generators (not engine
driven) for that purpose. I worked on several sailboats which were
retro-fitted, but not designed, to employ an engine. Granted, engine
power is nice, and I put a Johnson 5 1/2 hp outboard on it for "harbor
sails," but a sailboat definitely does not require any sort of engine
(engineless sailboat skippers often referred to power boats as
"stinkpots,").
Galen Hekhuis

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:05:23 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
wrote:

On Feb 12, 8:27*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane





wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:16*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh
wrote:

On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message

. ..

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, *or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never *anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

Prove it, liar.

If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

Prove it, liar.

then you're part of the
problem, DUH!
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Feb 13, 11:33*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:05:23 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane





wrote:
On Feb 12, 8:27*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:16*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh
wrote:

On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message

. ..

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, *or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never *anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

Prove it, liar.

If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

Prove it, liar.

*then you're part of theproblem, DUH!

This is the part of the thread where Michael J. Vandeman has nothing
more, no facts, no proof, nothing. He's finished and knows it and will
now continue with his third grade drivel. He claimed someone else was
"flagrantly raping the environment" and when asked to prove became as
silent as his dead cat Bob.
"Silent Bob", hehe.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:25:19 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
wrote:

On Feb 13, 11:33*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:05:23 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane





wrote:
On Feb 12, 8:27*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:16*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh
wrote:

On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message

. ..

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, *or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never *anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

Prove it, liar.

If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

Prove it, liar.

No response? I thought so.

*then you're part of theproblem, DUH!

This is the part of the thread where Michael J. Vandeman has nothing
more, no facts, no proof, nothing. He's finished and knows it and will
now continue with his third grade drivel. He claimed someone else was
"flagrantly raping the environment" and when asked to prove became as
silent as his dead cat Bob.
"Silent Bob", hehe.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Feb 15, 10:54*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:25:19 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane





wrote:
On Feb 13, 11:33*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:05:23 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

wrote:
On Feb 12, 8:27*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:16*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh
wrote:

On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message

. ..

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, *or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never *anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

Prove it, liar.

If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

Prove it, liar.

No response? I thought so.

*then you're part of theproblem, DUH!

This is the part of the thread where Michael J. Vandeman has nothing
more, no facts, no proof, nothing. He's finished and knows it and will
now continue with his third grade drivel. He claimed someone else was
"flagrantly raping the environment" and when asked to prove became as
silent as his dead cat Bob.
"Silent Bob", hehe.

Case closed.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:24:49 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:54*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:25:19 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane





wrote:
On Feb 13, 11:33*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:05:23 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

wrote:
On Feb 12, 8:27*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:16*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh
wrote:

On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message

. ..

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, *or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never *anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

Prove it, liar.

If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

Prove it, liar.

No response? I thought so.

*then you're part of theproblem, DUH!

This is the part of the thread where Michael J. Vandeman has nothing
more, no facts, no proof, nothing. He's finished and knows it and will
now continue with his third grade drivel. He claimed someone else was
"flagrantly raping the environment" and when asked to prove became as
silent as his dead cat Bob.
"Silent Bob", hehe.

Case closed.

In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever to support your claim.
So very like a mountain biker....
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Feb 15, 8:55*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:24:49 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane





wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:54*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:25:19 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

wrote:
On Feb 13, 11:33*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:05:23 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

wrote:
On Feb 12, 8:27*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:38:41 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane

wrote:
On Feb 11, 8:16*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:55:45 -0800 (PST), pmh
wrote:

On Feb 11, 12:22 am, "JP" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message

. ..

Sorry, none of this excuses your flagrant rape of the environment. You
are fooling NO ONE.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

And therein lies your deceit.

I/we are not flagrently raping the environment, *or creating any measurable
negative
effect on the environment whatsoever.

This is a falsely documented myth of your own creation for reasons
incomprehensible to a sane mind.
A fairy tale you use to justify your antagonistic trolling.
Unfortunately you can trick the slow-witted, at least for a time.
What an accomplishment for Micheal Vandeman PhD!!!

On a stormy day such as we're having here, Mikey provides a modicum of
entertainment. There's never *anything much to be gained by responding
to his blatherings.
It's instructive to see how widespread is the disdain for for his
rabid misanthropy.

... among mountain bikers, who can't stand having anyone tell the
truth about their selfish, destructive sport.

Mike Vandeman+Commercial Aviation=Raping The Upper Atmosphere

Prove it, liar.

If your lazy ass is seated on the plane,

Prove it, liar.

No response? I thought so.

*then you're part of theproblem, DUH!

This is the part of the thread where Michael J. Vandeman has nothing
more, no facts, no proof, nothing. He's finished and knows it and will
now continue with his third grade drivel. He claimed someone else was
"flagrantly raping the environment" and when asked to prove became as
silent as his dead cat Bob.
"Silent Bob", hehe.

Case closed.

In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever to support your claim.
So very like a mountain biker....

I don't own a mountain bike nor do I ride one, therefore I am not a
mountain biker, that makes you a LIAR.