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Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:


If a burglar steals $1000 in property versus $2000 in property on
one heist, the sentence is not going to be twice as long, all else
being equal.
Oh, BTW, Charles Keating got a 10 year sentence in 1992, followed by
a
12.5 year sentence in 1993, and was released after 4.5 years. His
sentences were eventually overturned. That's not counting the civil
cases, nor a subsequent conviction for bankruptcy fraud, where he was
sentence to time already served.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Keating

Yes, and if someone committed enough store robberies to steel as much
as Keating, and was caught and convicted for all of them, the combined
sentences would be much greater that what Keating received. Duh!

You obviously missed the point, and your "Duh" just shows your stupidity.

No Zaumen, you failed to make a logical point.

Let the punishment fit the race and class, not the crime!
Idiot.
Sarcasm detector broken?

No, stupid-comment detector working.

Is Zaumen showing a bias towards the upper classes here?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:
Well, Zaumen quote the laws as if they govern real world events.
Tell that one to the judge the next time you get a moving violation.

Tell that to the bus driver when you are crushed beneath the bus's wheels.
Tell that to the gang banger who is driving without a license in a
stolen car while carrying an unregistered gun, and who not too worried
about another trip to the "big house" (very common in the 'hood).
Sherman, you are an idiot.

Zaumen, you are living in a fantasy world.
No, you are an idiot.

Peer reviewed citation?

Idiot.

Can we take this to mean that Zaumen is unable to produce said citation,
so he merely repeats his insult?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Bill Zaumen wrote:[i]
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Do California drivers actually pay attention to the drivers' manual
beyond rote memorization for the tests? If so, their (California
drivers') behavior is highly unusual.
You claimed they didn't know the law. They do know it. When they
ignore it, it is done on purpose.

Knowing the law enough to answer multiple choice questions on a test
and understanding and retaining the information are two different
things (in the real world).
There's a driving part of the test too.
Not many drive in the real world the same way they would while taking
the test.
You don't think you are in the "real world" while taking a driving
test?
If you mean that they behave better, that's true when they see a police
car as well. The bottom line is that they know what the laws are, but
may choose to ignore them when they think they can get away with it.

Leave out "they know what the laws are" and Zaumen has it right.

Like Zaumen's "idiot" comment above?
It's quite approprate given your childish behavior.

Citation?
Idiot.

Citation?
Your comments above will do.

Peer reviewed citation?
You are an idiot.

Zaumen must have a keyboard macro for "You are an idiot".

Idiot.

Fingers getting tired? Write your macro!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Bill Z. wrote:
Eric Vey writes:

Tom Sherman wrote:

Tell that to the gang banger who is driving without a license in a
stolen car while carrying an unregistered gun, and who not too
worried about another trip to the "big house" (very common in the
'hood).
We get something like that almost every day now with a crash.
Here is today's freak show:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,1854629.story

Nothing in that article about "driving without a license" and nothing
about a gun. The only mention of a stolen car was that the police
were looking for a white Taurus and spotted the guy driving the
same model (but he was not driving a stolen vehicle).
He panicked and got himself in worse trouble.

So, you couldn't find a good example, apparently.



Gotten so common that the police have a new policy not to chase them
anymore because chases endanger the public safety. Stolen cars and hit
and runs are getting so common that they don't make the newspaper
anymore. Same as in So. Cal., from what I was told by a guy yesterday
who is here looking for work.

In fact, this story wasn't sensational enough to make the newspaper,
just TV news. Here is our freak show of the day that has a gun, theft
and reckless driving, but no crash:

http://www.wftv.com/news/15314313/detail.html
Suspects Arrested In Carjacking Where Woman Escaped From Trunk

POSTED: 4:11 pm EST February 15, 2008
UPDATED: 5:22 pm EST February 15, 2008

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Two teens and a 20-year-old man were jailed
Friday for a frightening crime that drew national attention. Police
revealed late Friday it was carjackers from Casselberry and Winter
Springs who went to Daytona Beach to kidnap a young woman. Tuesday
night, a kidnapped student in Daytona Beach jumped from the trunk of a
moving car, survived and now police say they've arrested her attackers.

Police said the three suspects traveled to Daytona Beach from Seminole
County to make an impression. In fact, detectives believe two of them
were actually standing as lookouts at a stop sign. They saw Charity
Gibson jump from the trunk of the car as it came around a curve and
thought it was funny.

Carlos Leon, 17, was the alleged gunman looking for some money. His
friend Jordan Cole, 20, was hoping the carjacking would impress members
of the Crips gang.

But along with a third friend, 17-year-old Christopher Ault, they didn't
count on Charity Gibson, who calmly did what she needed to do to survive.

It's clear now, police said, Gibson could have been killed by the teens
if she hadn't escaped.

"Now i see even more how thankful I am that everything worked out as it
did and God worked out everything," Gibson said after the arrests.

It was Gibson's Mustang that caught the attention of police in Winter
Springs. They had arrested Ault, who talked about an incident with a
Mustang. He led them to Leon and to Cole and even to the gun that nearly
ended Gibson's life.

Eyewitness News learned the state plans to prosecute the 17-year-olds as
adults. They're being held on no bond and the 20-year-old is in jail
with a $750,000 bond.

Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:


If a burglar steals $1000 in property versus $2000 in property on
one heist, the sentence is not going to be twice as long, all else
being equal.
Oh, BTW, Charles Keating got a 10 year sentence in 1992, followed by
a
12.5 year sentence in 1993, and was released after 4.5 years. His
sentences were eventually overturned. That's not counting the civil
cases, nor a subsequent conviction for bankruptcy fraud, where he was
sentence to time already served.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Keating

Yes, and if someone committed enough store robberies to steel as much
as Keating, and was caught and convicted for all of them, the combined
sentences would be much greater that what Keating received. Duh!
You obviously missed the point, and your "Duh" just shows your
stupidity.

No Zaumen, you failed to make a logical point.

Let the punishment fit the race and class, not the crime!
Idiot.
Sarcasm detector broken?
No, stupid-comment detector working.

Is Zaumen showing a bias towards the upper classes here?

You are an idiot.


--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:
Well, Zaumen quote the laws as if they govern real world events.
Tell that one to the judge the next time you get a moving violation.

Tell that to the bus driver when you are crushed beneath the bus's wheels.
Tell that to the gang banger who is driving without a license in a
stolen car while carrying an unregistered gun, and who not too worried
about another trip to the "big house" (very common in the 'hood).
Sherman, you are an idiot.

Zaumen, you are living in a fantasy world.
No, you are an idiot.

Peer reviewed citation?
Idiot.

Can we take this to mean that Zaumen is unable to produce said
citation, so he merely repeats his insult?

That you are an idiot is an obvious fact.



--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

Tom Sherman writes:
[i]
Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Do California drivers actually pay attention to the drivers' manual
beyond rote memorization for the tests? If so, their (California
drivers') behavior is highly unusual.
You claimed they didn't know the law. They do know it. When they
ignore it, it is done on purpose.

Knowing the law enough to answer multiple choice questions on a test
and understanding and retaining the information are two different
things (in the real world).
There's a driving part of the test too.
Not many drive in the real world the same way they would while taking
the test.
You don't think you are in the "real world" while taking a driving
test?
If you mean that they behave better, that's true when they see a police
car as well. The bottom line is that they know what the laws are, but
may choose to ignore them when they think they can get away with it.

Leave out "they know what the laws are" and Zaumen has it right.

Like Zaumen's "idiot" comment above?
It's quite approprate given your childish behavior.

Citation?
Idiot.

Citation?
Your comments above will do.

Peer reviewed citation?
You are an idiot.

Zaumen must have a keyboard macro for "You are an idiot".
Idiot.

Fingers getting tired? Write your macro!

Idiot



--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

Eric Vey writes:

Bill Z. wrote:
Eric Vey writes:

Tom Sherman wrote:

Tell that to the gang banger who is driving without a license in a
stolen car while carrying an unregistered gun, and who not too
worried about another trip to the "big house" (very common in the
'hood).
We get something like that almost every day now with a crash.
Here is today's freak show:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,1854629.story
Nothing in that article about "driving without a license" and nothing
about a gun. The only mention of a stolen car was that the police
were looking for a white Taurus and spotted the guy driving the
same model (but he was not driving a stolen vehicle).
He panicked and got himself in worse trouble.
So, you couldn't find a good example, apparently.


Gotten so common that the police have a new policy not to chase them
anymore because chases endanger the public safety. Stolen cars and hit
and runs are getting so common that they don't make the newspaper
anymore. Same as in So. Cal., from what I was told by a guy yesterday
who is here looking for work.

Conspiracy theory.

meaningless example of who knows what snipped



--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

Bill Z. wrote:
Eric Vey writes:

Bill Z. wrote:
Eric Vey writes:

Tom Sherman wrote:

Tell that to the gang banger who is driving without a license in a
stolen car while carrying an unregistered gun, and who not too
worried about another trip to the "big house" (very common in the
'hood).
We get something like that almost every day now with a crash.
Here is today's freak show:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,1854629.story
Nothing in that article about "driving without a license" and nothing
about a gun. The only mention of a stolen car was that the police
were looking for a white Taurus and spotted the guy driving the
same model (but he was not driving a stolen vehicle).
He panicked and got himself in worse trouble.
So, you couldn't find a good example, apparently.

Gotten so common that the police have a new policy not to chase them
anymore because chases endanger the public safety. Stolen cars and hit
and runs are getting so common that they don't make the newspaper
anymore. Same as in So. Cal., from what I was told by a guy yesterday
who is here looking for work.

Conspiracy theory.

meaningless example of who knows what snipped




Oh? BZ is an expert about FL as well as SoCal. Here is a story about it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in998201.shtml

(CBS) Run from a police officer, and his first instinct will likely be
to chase 'til the wheels fall off — even for minor crimes. But these
chases can come at dangerously great speeds, reports, CBS News
correspondent Mark Strassmann, carrying even greater risks.

Police chases kill more than 300 people a year. And one-third of them
are innocent bystanders.

Jim Phillips' daughter Sarah was killed during a high-speed police chase
in Orange County, Fla. He has watched her die over and over in a police
tape of the moment.

In it, the car goes over a rise and … boom.

"There they go," Phillips said while watching the tape. "It was totally
preventable. It didn't need to happen. They didn't need to chase."

Deputies were chasing two possible gun suspects in a Volkswagen Jetta.
Sarah was in another car — and the Jetta plowed right into her.

"You see this explosion," Phillips said. "That's parts of her car going
everywhere." Going 70 mph, the driver "never slowed down or stepped on
the brakes. He went straight for her."

And so Phillips has watched his daughter die, over and over. And since
first seeing the videotape, Phillips sued the Orange County Sheriff's
office and became a national expert on police pursuits.

***In his own community, Phillips helped change the chase policies of a
dozen police agencies. Now the Orlando Police Department has the most
restrictive policy in the entire country.***

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Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:

Bill Zaumen wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:
Well, Zaumen quote the laws as if they govern real world events.
Tell that one to the judge the next time you get a moving violation.

Tell that to the bus driver when you are crushed beneath the bus's wheels.
Tell that to the gang banger who is driving without a license in a
stolen car while carrying an unregistered gun, and who not too worried
about another trip to the "big house" (very common in the 'hood).
Sherman, you are an idiot.

Zaumen, you are living in a fantasy world.
No, you are an idiot.

Peer reviewed citation?
Idiot.

Can we take this to mean that Zaumen is unable to produce said
citation, so he merely repeats his insult?

That you are an idiot is an obvious fact.

Mr. Zaumen is committing the elementary error of confusing opinion with
fact.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful