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I was wondering if anyone knew of a good lightweight differential
(hopefully parallel) that could be used to combine the power of two riders. I know this isn't the easiest way but this is for a competition where innovation counts. Also how effective would using a differential be? Thanks |
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john riley wrote:
(catabong) wrote in message . com... I was wondering if anyone knew of a good lightweight differential (hopefully parallel) that could be used to combine the power of two riders. I know this isn't the easiest way but this is for a competition where innovation counts. Also how effective would using a differential be? Thanks You mean like this? http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html This isn't a differential; it's independent freewheels. A differential would force each rider to provide the same torque, but would let them choose cadences independently. If one rider suddenly chose to rest, the cadence of the other rider would need to double to maintain power, and the resting rider would still need to resist the pedalling torque of the other rider, even though not moving the cranks. Independent freewheels in front of the differential would not help; you would still get the back torque to the resting rider. My guess is it would be a very odd vehicle to ride. I don't know if there are any commercial differentials suitable for bicycles. You would want something light and not too wide, but still capable of taking high torque at low RPM. It's possible to build a differential out of flat spur gears only, rather than the bevel gears in conventional automotive differentials, but you might need to design and fabricate a custom one to meet your requirements. My guess is it would be quite heavy. If you tried to build one with chains and sprockets, it would still require one gear pair for direction reversal, or a figure-8 chain (ugh!). How about two fully-independent conventional drive trains, so each rider can choose cadence and torque independently, and coast at will? Weight should be about equal to two conventional drivetrains. You might need some mirror-image components, if you use both sides of the bike to keep things symmetrical, and a custom rear hub. Good luck Dave Lehnen |
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Are you asking about a differential to split the power between 2 wheels
like found on an automobile? For a human power application the common way is a "dominate drive". Power from the human goes to a jack shaft and from there it is split by means of 2 chains to each axle. 2 additional freewheels are either placed on the axle or jack shaft. The reason it is called "dominate drive" is: when the vehicle turns a corner the outside wheel "dominates" the gear ratio and makes the pedals harder to turn. A small price to pay for a simple , light weight system. Biggest benefit is that in a low traction situation on 1 wheel, the other wheel will drive. An automotive style differential is not suitable for this reason alone. Human power vehicles are light meaning traction can be lost easier. The Crank-it quad has an elegant version of this system hidden inside their final drive sprocket. www.crank-it.com Steve "Speedy" Delaire .. catabong wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew of a good lightweight differential (hopefully parallel) that could be used to combine the power of two riders. I know this isn't the easiest way but this is for a competition where innovation counts. Also how effective would using a differential be? Thanks -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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"Dave Lehnen" wrote in message
... How about two fully-independent conventional drive trains, so each rider can choose cadence and torque independently, and coast at will? Weight should be about equal to two conventional drivetrains. You might need some mirror-image components, if you use both sides of the bike to keep things symmetrical, and a custom rear hub. Two riders, two wheels: obvious, if not original solution, -- 2 wheel drive. Jon Meinecke |
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S. Delaire "Rotatorrecumbent" wrote:
Are you asking about a differential to split the power between 2 wheels like found on an automobile? From his description I get the impression he is looking for a differential in reverse. Where each rider is connected to where the wheels would be, and the driveshaft or chain comes out of the differential box rather than into it. Something like.... Rider1 Rider2 | | | | -----{differential}------- | | | | (wheel) With this, when one rider stops, the other rider must double the cadence in order to maintain the same wheel speed. I remember seeing some small differentials used in some go-carts. It may be his best bet. Cheers. |
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S. Delaire "Rotatorrecumbent" wrote:
Are you asking about a differential to split the power between 2 wheels like found on an automobile? For a human power application the common way is a "dominate drive". Power from the human goes to a jack shaft and from there it is split by means of 2 chains to each axle. 2 additional freewheels are either placed on the axle or jack shaft. The reason it is called "dominate drive" is: when the vehicle turns a corner the outside wheel "dominates" the gear ratio and makes the pedals harder to turn. A small price to pay for a simple , light weight system. Biggest benefit is that in a low traction situation on 1 wheel, the other wheel will drive. An automotive style differential is not suitable for this reason alone. Human power vehicles are light meaning traction can be lost easier. The Crank-it quad has an elegant version of this system hidden inside their final drive sprocket. www.crank-it.com Steve "Speedy" Delaire I think the OP was looking for a way to have two unmatched riders power a single wheel, rather than drive two wheels on a trike or quad while allowing cornering. The drive you describe above, and on the Crank-It website, would drive the slower inside wheel on corners, while the outside wheel freewheels a little faster and gets no drive torque unless the inside wheel slips. It probably works fine, although the inside wheel has less traction due to cornering forces. Both wheels always turn at least at driven speed, so it should work pretty well in low-traction conditions. Dave Lehnen |
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I rode a Crank It Quad in Vegas/Interbike this week - - Wow was that fun. Even
better was to watch Crank It's Robert Kay ride it. This is an amazing vehicle! The most fun I've had on 4 wheels with pedals. Bob Bryant http://www.recumbentcyclistnews.com |
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"Jon Meinecke" wrote in message ws.com...
"Dave Lehnen" wrote in message ... How about two fully-independent conventional drive trains, so each rider can choose cadence and torque independently, and coast at will? Weight should be about equal to two conventional drivetrains. You might need some mirror-image components, if you use both sides of the bike to keep things symmetrical, and a custom rear hub. Two riders, two wheels: obvious, if not original solution, -- 2 wheel drive. Jon Meinecke Tain't original- in fact, it's in production: http://www.zoxbikes.com/main/zox20&26.jpg and there's lots of homebuilts around: http://www.ohpv.org/pir2003/theracers/pages/don008.htm http://www.ohpv.org/pir2003/theracer...s/calvin03.htm Jeff |
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