Not many cyclists out, must be the weather.

But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours broke the
law in one significant way or another while I watched.

On 22/12/2010 13:55, Mrcheerful wrote:
But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours broke the
law in one significant way or another while I watched.

What were the top 5 "offences" committed IYHO?

--
Matt B

Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 13:55, Mrcheerful wrote:
But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours
broke the law in one significant way or another while I watched.

What were the top 5 "offences" committed IYHO?

Red light jumping (2) and no lights after dark(2), followed by wrong way in
a one way (1) and pavement cycling (1).

On 22/12/2010 14:19, Mrcheerful wrote:
Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 13:55, Mrcheerful wrote:
But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours
broke the law in one significant way or another while I watched.

What were the top 5 "offences" committed IYHO?

Red light jumping (2) and no lights after dark(2), followed by wrong way in
a one way (1) and pavement cycling (1).

Your sample size was 6? Did any of those "offenders" cause any real
danger to anyone?

--
Matt B

Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 14:19, Mrcheerful wrote:
Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 13:55, Mrcheerful wrote:
But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours
broke the law in one significant way or another while I watched.

What were the top 5 "offences" committed IYHO?

Red light jumping (2) and no lights after dark(2), followed by wrong
way in a one way (1) and pavement cycling (1).

Your sample size was 6? Did any of those "offenders" cause any real
danger to anyone?

I did say that not many were about
One of the rlj did cause a car to slide to a halt, which could easily have
caused a pile up. The others caused no dangerous situation in the short
time I saw them, so is it alright to break the laws of the road if no danger
is caused? They seem to have missed that bit out in the Highway Code that I
have read.

On 22/12/2010 14:34, Mrcheerful wrote:
Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 14:19, Mrcheerful wrote:
Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 13:55, Mrcheerful wrote:
But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours
broke the law in one significant way or another while I watched.

What were the top 5 "offences" committed IYHO?

Red light jumping (2) and no lights after dark(2), followed by wrong
way in a one way (1) and pavement cycling (1).

Your sample size was 6? Did any of those "offenders" cause any real
danger to anyone?

I did say that not many were about

Just 6 in 24 hours - how much of that time were you out and about - and
where?

One of the rlj did cause a car to slide to a halt, which could easily have
caused a pile up.

Naughty then.

The others caused no dangerous situation in the short
time I saw them,

So the appropriate legislation is possibly a bit of an overkill?
Requiring people to stop or have lights or whatever when, actually, such
a requirement isn't strictly necessary.

so is it alright to break the laws of the road if no danger
is caused?

Let's turn that around... Is it all right for laws to be created
willy-nilly, inconveniencing those who feel obliged to comply with them
for no apparent reason and at the same time giving the advantage to
those who have no qualms about breaking the law? Shouldn't unnecessary
or incompetently drafted laws be abolished?

They seem to have missed that bit out in the Highway Code that I
have read.

Laws is laws - but do we need them all?

--
Matt B

On 22/12/2010 14:27, Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 14:19, Mrcheerful wrote:
Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 13:55, Mrcheerful wrote:
But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours
broke the law in one significant way or another while I watched.

What were the top 5 "offences" committed IYHO?

Red light jumping (2) and no lights after dark(2), followed by wrong way in
a one way (1) and pavement cycling (1).

Your sample size was 6? Did any of those "offenders" cause any real danger to
anyone?

Does it matter what his answer (which would necessarily be based on only a
fleeting impression of the overall situation) would be?

As a parallel, only a small proportion of drivers over the drink-drive limit
on any one night are ever caught. And that's partly because most acts of
drink-driving cause no real danger to anyone and don't attract the attentions
of the police for various reasons. That doesn't mean that drink-driving is
harmless or worth ignoring, does it?

On 22/12/2010 16:35, JNugent wrote:
On 22/12/2010 14:27, Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 14:19, Mrcheerful wrote:
Matt B wrote:
On 22/12/2010 13:55, Mrcheerful wrote:
But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours
broke the law in one significant way or another while I watched.

What were the top 5 "offences" committed IYHO?

Red light jumping (2) and no lights after dark(2), followed by wrong
way in
a one way (1) and pavement cycling (1).

Your sample size was 6? Did any of those "offenders" cause any real
danger to
anyone?

Does it matter what his answer (which would necessarily be based on only
a fleeting impression of the overall situation) would be?

If they'd all caused buses or trucks to swerve out of control, or
similar, we'd have a different picture to the one we now have.

As a parallel, only a small proportion of drivers over the drink-drive
limit on any one night are ever caught. And that's partly because most
acts of drink-driving cause no real danger to anyone and don't attract
the attentions of the police for various reasons. That doesn't mean that
drink-driving is harmless or worth ignoring, does it?

You tell me. Is there evidence that drink-drivers are over represented
in the accident statistics? I know that a few years ago some police
force somewhere did a Christmas campaign against drink-driving and
"randomly" tested drivers who were not involved in accidents or traffic
offences. They found a larger proportion were over the limit than for
those in the same area who were tested after being involved in an
accident or committing an offence. I've no idea though how
representative that was of reality or whether there have been studies
and there is real evidence that drink-drivers cause more harm than sober
ones.

--
Matt B

Mrcheerful wrote:
But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours broke the
law in one significant way or another while I watched.


Lots of cars out - I've seen them on telly, stuck in jams.


BugBear

On Dec 22, 1:55*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
But 100 per cent of the cyclists I have seen in the last 24 hours broke the
law in one significant way or another while I watched.

Every time cycling is promoted as the only way to get around, you see
attractive young people riding bikes down country lanes on nice sunny
dry days. Not quite the same this time of the year!

Derek C