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What's The Deal with Titanium Chain Locks?
Hi, All: It occurred to me that a chain and lock made out of titanium would be the lightest and strongest of all...but I don't seem to see any purely titanium chain locks for sale, only "titanium reinforced" steel chain locks. What's up with that? Surely there are those who would pay premium dollar for a lightweight but extremely strong chain lock made of titanium. If I understand things correctly, titanium should be unbreakable, right? I mean, it's the stuff tank armor is made of! But I read instead that ti locks aren't as strong as steel, actually! WTF?! TIA! |
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NYC XYZ wrote:
Hi, All: It occurred to me that a chain and lock made out of titanium would be the lightest and strongest of all...but I don't seem to see any purely titanium chain locks for sale, only "titanium reinforced" steel chain locks. What's up with that? Surely there are those who would pay premium dollar for a lightweight but extremely strong chain lock made of titanium. If I understand things correctly, titanium should be unbreakable, right? I mean, it's the stuff tank armor is made of! But I read instead that ti locks aren't as strong as steel, actually! WTF?! Ti cuts like Alum, not near as strong as steel, and just damn expensive! -n -- Llatikcuf-at-gmail-dot-com Eat the meek! |
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"NYC XYZ" wrote:
What's up with that? Surely there are those who would pay premium dollar for a lightweight but extremely strong chain lock made of titanium. If I understand things correctly, titanium should be unbreakable, right? I mean, it's the stuff tank armor is made of! But I read instead that ti locks aren't as strong as steel, actually! What's Up With Cross-Posting Each Of Your Queries to Four Different Newsgroups? Please restrict them to one at a time. rec.bicycles.tech or .misc would have been the appropriate venue for this question. And titanium is awkward to machine yet not as strong as steel per volume, so it would make for a very bulky bike lock. |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:38:09 -0700, NYC XYZ wrote:
It occurred to me that a chain and lock made out of titanium would be the lightest and strongest of all...but I don't seem to see any purely titanium chain locks for sale, only "titanium reinforced" steel chain locks. And that "reinforcement" is marketing. Titanium is not magic. It is neither stronger than steel nor lighter than aluminum. It is, however, stronger than aluminum and lighter than steel. What's up with that? Surely there are those who would pay premium dollar for a lightweight but extremely strong chain lock made of titanium. If I understand things correctly, titanium should be unbreakable, right? I mean, it's the stuff tank armor is made of! Not really. Though there seems to be interest in titanium-alloy armor, your basic tank uses steel. Steels can be much harder than titanium, and for a bike chain, that is vital -- as long as it doesn't become brittle. -- David L. Johnson __o | A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems. _`\(,_ | -- Paul Erdos (_)/ (_) | |
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On 8 Sep 2005 07:38:09 -0700, "NYC XYZ"
wrote: It occurred to me that a chain and lock made out of titanium would be the lightest and strongest of all...but I don't seem to see any purely titanium chain locks for sale, only "titanium reinforced" steel chain locks. What's up with that? Surely there are those who would pay premium dollar for a lightweight but extremely strong chain lock made of titanium. If I understand things correctly, titanium should be unbreakable, right? I mean, it's the stuff tank armor is made of! But I read instead that ti locks aren't as strong as steel, actually! WTF?! Pure titanium is not all that strong. Used in an alloy, it can make a stronger, lighter product than steel...but the expense of making the material and working it can be amazingly high. Do you want to pay DoD prices for your chain? If so, then I suspect that you can get a near-bombproof Ti-alloy chain somewhere. But I suspect that a spare bike might be cheaper, and a good conventional hardened chain would be a lot more cost-effective. -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
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What's The Deal with Titanium Chain Locks?
Ti gets soft when heated, I assume it would be easy to cut
"NYC XYZ" wrote in message oups.com... Hi, All: It occurred to me that a chain and lock made out of titanium would be the lightest and strongest of all...but I don't seem to see any purely titanium chain locks for sale, only "titanium reinforced" steel chain locks. What's up with that? Surely there are those who would pay premium dollar for a lightweight but extremely strong chain lock made of titanium. If I understand things correctly, titanium should be unbreakable, right? I mean, it's the stuff tank armor is made of! But I read instead that ti locks aren't as strong as steel, actually! WTF?! TIA! |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:18:23 -0400, "David L. Johnson"
wrote: Not really. Though there seems to be interest in titanium-alloy armor, your basic tank uses steel. Steels can be much harder than titanium, and for a bike chain, that is vital -- as long as it doesn't become brittle. Well, older tanks use steel. Nowadays you get all the fancy stuff with composites and kevlar and **** as well. And of course 'reactive' armour, which is basically explosives slapped all over the outside, though I don't believe that's in actual use yet, just research. Jasper |
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"Jasper Janssen" wrote: (clip)And of course 'reactive' armour, which is basically explosives slapped all over the outside, though I don't believe that's in actual use yet, just research. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Now we're getting somewhere. When do you think we will be able to get chain with this "reactive" stuff on it? I can just picture the look on the guy's face as it blows the jaws off his bolt cutters. |
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What's The Deal with Titanium Chain Locks?
Titanium is not as hard as steel. It will cut with tools easily available
to a thief. It is strong on a strength to weight ration only. Russians build Nuclear Submarines from the stuff so you can see that is not even rare. It does have a very good ability to be flexed many times with no serious weakening. Great shock resistance. You can buy titanium shovels on eBay. ken "NYC XYZ" wrote in message oups.com... Hi, All: It occurred to me that a chain and lock made out of titanium would be the lightest and strongest of all...but I don't seem to see any purely titanium chain locks for sale, only "titanium reinforced" steel chain locks. What's up with that? Surely there are those who would pay premium dollar for a lightweight but extremely strong chain lock made of titanium. If I understand things correctly, titanium should be unbreakable, right? I mean, it's the stuff tank armor is made of! But I read instead that ti locks aren't as strong as steel, actually! WTF?! TIA! |
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