New Lance Commercial is Gay

On Jun 30, 10:45*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

P.S. Lance is also going to end up forking over $15 million for his defense
attorneys and PR mouth HOLE Fabio.. *I'm not sure if that cost will include
appellate lawyers and post conviction relief appeals though

Yeah, but that's where you miss the point - that $15M or whatever it
ends up being will be enough to keep LA out of jail and able to still
say he never doped. He won't get convicted. Did he dope? Of course.
Did Postal use sponsor money for dope? Most likely. Did LA lie to
prosecutors, the FBI, and all those women he banged who looked like
his mom? Absolutely. Are there witnesses to support the case against
LA? You could fill a stadium.

However, like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, nearly everyone with that much
money and power who is accused of a crime has enough money to get off.
OJ did and they had him BY THE BALLS (and he had two). LA will skate,
too. Why you, Laff, and Anton don't see this is hard to understand.
Perhaps you guys actually believe all that stuff you learned in civics
class.

On Jul 2, 2:04*am, Brad Anders wrote:
On Jun 30, 10:45*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:



P.S. Lance is also going to end up forking over $15 million for his defense
attorneys and PR mouth HOLE Fabio.. *I'm not sure if that cost will include
appellate lawyers and post conviction relief appeals though

Yeah, but that's where you miss the point - that $15M or whatever it
ends up being will be enough to keep LA out of jail and able to still
say he never doped. He won't get convicted. Did he dope? Of course.
Did Postal use sponsor money for dope? Most likely. Did LA lie to
prosecutors, the FBI, and all those women he banged who looked like
his mom? Absolutely. Are there witnesses to support the case against
LA? You could fill a stadium.

However, like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, nearly everyone with that much
money and power who is accused of a crime has enough money to get off.
OJ did and they had him BY THE BALLS (and he had two). LA will skate,
too. Why you, Laff, and Anton don't see this is hard to understand.
Perhaps you guys actually believe all that stuff you learned in civics
class.

I sort of agree with you, except that your last sentence misses the
point: the reason those guys are acquitted and probably will have
their charges dropped, is a basic civics lesson which should be taught
in every class, the American criminal justice system is designed to
help the defendant.

The OJ case changed the way prosecutors handle their cases, instead of
long-winded presentations, they keep it short and understandable, I
saw it for myself at the Peterson trial. The DSK case should also
change how prosecutors handle foreign dignitaries with very busy
schedules by not rushing with the severest possible charges.
Hopefully, the Armstrong case will also have repercussions, namely,
not to waste time trying to nail someone who at the worst, cheated at
a meaningless game.

-ilan

On Jul 1, 5:18*pm, ilan wrote:
I sort of agree with you, except that your last sentence misses the
point: the reason those guys are acquitted and probably will have
their charges dropped, is a basic civics lesson which should be taught
in every class, the American criminal justice system is designed to
help the defendant.

True. I'd also add the caveat that the richer and more powerful the
defendant, the more they can leverage the imbalances in the system.
That's why I think a guy with the resources that LA has stands a good
chance of walking away scot-free.

Brad Anders wrote:

On Jun 30, 10:45*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

P.S. Lance is also going to end up forking over $15 million for his defense
attorneys and PR mouth HOLE Fabio.. *I'm not sure if that cost will include
appellate lawyers and post conviction relief appeals though

Yeah, but that's where you miss the point - that $15M or whatever it
ends up being will be enough to keep LA out of jail and able to still
say he never doped. He won't get convicted.

You sound Like Floyd Landis, Hondo, Valverde, DilLusional, Vinokourov,
Mayonnaise, and Phil Z right before they were convicted...

How are Lance's lawyers gonna make Hincapie look like a liar - dude never even
tested positive for anything why would he just make that **** up?

Magilla

Brad Anders wrote:

On Jun 30, 10:45*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

P.S. Lance is also going to end up forking over $15 million for his defense
attorneys and PR mouth HOLE Fabio.. *I'm not sure if that cost will include
appellate lawyers and post conviction relief appeals though

Yeah, but that's where you miss the point - that $15M or whatever it
ends up being will be enough to keep LA out of jail and able to still
say he never doped. He won't get convicted. Did he dope? Of course.
Did Postal use sponsor money for dope? Most likely. Did LA lie to
prosecutors, the FBI, and all those women he banged who looked like
his mom? Absolutely. Are there witnesses to support the case against
LA? You could fill a stadium.

However, like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, nearly everyone with that much
money and power who is accused of a crime has enough money to get off.
OJ did and they had him BY THE BALLS (and he had two). LA will skate,
too. Why you, Laff, and Anton don't see this is hard to understand.
Perhaps you guys actually believe all that stuff you learned in civics
class.

Exaplain Martha Stweard, Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken, Jeffrey Skilling, Ken Lay,
Phil Spector, Dennis Kozlowski, and dozens of other millionaires who are
currently in jail or went to jail.

Dude - Lance is goin to the Bighouse.

Magilla

On Jul 1, 7:25*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Brad Anders wrote:
On Jun 30, 10:45*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

P.S. Lance is also going to end up forking over $15 million for his defense
attorneys and PR mouth HOLE Fabio.. *I'm not sure if that cost will include
appellate lawyers and post conviction relief appeals though

Yeah, but that's where you miss the point - that $15M or whatever it
ends up being will be enough to keep LA out of jail and able to still
say he never doped. He won't get convicted. Did he dope? Of course.
Did Postal use sponsor money for dope? Most likely. Did LA lie to
prosecutors, the FBI, and all those women he banged who looked like
his mom? Absolutely. Are there witnesses to support the case against
LA? You could fill a stadium.

However, like Dominique Strauss-Kahn, nearly everyone with that much
money and power who is accused of a crime has enough money to get off.
OJ did and they had him BY THE BALLS (and he had two). LA will skate,
too. Why you, Laff, and Anton don't see this is hard to understand.
Perhaps you guys actually believe all that stuff you learned in civics
class.

Exaplain Martha Stweard, Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken, Jeffrey Skilling, Ken Lay,
Phil Spector, Dennis Kozlowski, and dozens of other millionaires who are
currently in jail or went to jail.

Dude - Lance is goin to the Bighouse.

Magilla

IMO, every single one of the cases you list has far more physical
evidence and far more significance than the LA case. LA may be a big
name, but the case against him is lame. Best hope they have is on
convicting him of lying to investigators, which still will be
difficult.

Time will tell. If they nail him, hey, great. But it won't have any
impact on doping in cycling.

On Jul 2, 3:07*am, Brad Anders wrote:
On Jul 1, 5:18*pm, ilan wrote:

I sort of agree with you, except that your last sentence misses the
point: the reason those guys are acquitted and probably will have
their charges dropped, is a basic civics lesson which should be taught
in every class, the American criminal justice system is designed to
help the defendant.

True. I'd also add the caveat that the richer and more powerful the
defendant, the more they can leverage the imbalances in the system.
That's why I think a guy with the resources that LA has stands a good
chance of walking away scot-free.

I thought you had to verb caveat.