Thank goodness for that.

"Proposed alterations to the highway code to give cyclists the right to make
a left turn at red traffic lights will probably not happen, Roads Minister
Mike Penning told MPs.

Mr Penning also talked about the public perception of bikes as a dangerous
mode of transport and said this makes people reluctant to cycle.

He said that the UK is safer than two countries where cycling is popular,
Sweden and the Netherlands, with fewer cyclist fatalities per 100,000
people.

Transport Minister Norman Baker said as cycling becomes more popular, there
should be fewer accidents since motorists are often more careful of cyclists
in groups than individually. "

I suspect that the number of cyclists is higher in the Netherlands at least,
so it is rather likely that the death rate per 100,000 of population would
be higher, a more relevant figure would be the numbers of cyclists out of
100,000 that get topped in each country.

Please can someone tell him that there is NOT any safety in numbers.


http://www.rac.co.uk/news-advice/mot...ight-go-ahead/

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:44:42 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

He said that the UK is safer than two countries where cycling is popular,
Sweden and the Netherlands, with fewer cyclist fatalities per 100,000
people.

What a peculiar statistic to trundle out for cyclists' safety. The
flaw is almost as huge as Medwit's decking.

On Apr 26, 2:44*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Proposed alterations to the highway code to give cyclists the right to make
a left turn at red traffic lights will probably not happen, Roads Minister
Mike Penning told MPs.


Why "Thank goodness for that"? If the law is changed it would be
legal, and thus to be expected.

On 26/04/2012 15:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:44:42 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

He said that the UK is safer than two countries where cycling is popular,
Sweden and the Netherlands, with fewer cyclist fatalities per 100,000
people.

What a peculiar statistic to trundle out for cyclists' safety. The
flaw is almost as huge as Medwit's decking.

Do people in Sweden & The Netherlands cycle upside down then?

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On 26/04/2012 17:10, Squashme wrote:

On Apr 26, 2:44 pm, wrote:

"Proposed alterations to the highway code to give cyclists the right to make
a left turn at red traffic lights will probably not happen, Roads Minister
Mike Penning told MPs.

Why "Thank goodness for that"? If the law is changed it would be
legal, and thus to be expected.

Why not just give everyone the right to turn left (but not go straight ahead
or right) at red traffic lights, subject to a requirement to give way to
pedestrians crossing the road into which the driver/rider is turning?

It works well in the USA.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:24:14 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 26/04/2012 17:10, Squashme wrote:

On Apr 26, 2:44 pm, wrote:

"Proposed alterations to the highway code to give cyclists the right to make
a left turn at red traffic lights will probably not happen, Roads Minister
Mike Penning told MPs.

Why "Thank goodness for that"? If the law is changed it would be
legal, and thus to be expected.

Why not just give everyone the right to turn left (but not go straight ahead
or right) at red traffic lights, subject to a requirement to give way to
pedestrians crossing the road into which the driver/rider is turning?

It works well in the USA.

Nonsense.

In the US they are allowed to turn *right* at red traffic signals.

On 26/04/2012 19:51, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:24:14 +0100,
wrote:

On 26/04/2012 17:10, Squashme wrote:

On Apr 26, 2:44 pm, wrote:

"Proposed alterations to the highway code to give cyclists the right to make
a left turn at red traffic lights will probably not happen, Roads Minister
Mike Penning told MPs.

Why "Thank goodness for that"? If the law is changed it would be
legal, and thus to be expected.

Why not just give everyone the right to turn left (but not go straight ahead
or right) at red traffic lights, subject to a requirement to give way to
pedestrians crossing the road into which the driver/rider is turning?

It works well in the USA.

Nonsense.

In the US they are allowed to turn *right* at red traffic signals.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to try to crack that one
again.

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:44:42 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

He said that the UK is safer than two countries where cycling is popular,
Sweden and the Netherlands, with fewer cyclist fatalities per 100,000
people.

What a peculiar statistic to trundle out for cyclists' safety. The
flaw is almost as huge as Medwit's decking.

He was already caned for that yesterday in one of my posts.

http://road.cc/content/news/57138-ro...erlands-videos

--
Simon Mason

"Proposed alterations to the highway code to give cyclists the right to make
a left turn at red traffic lights will probably not happen, Roads Minister
Mike Penning told MPs.
Why "Thank goodness for that"? If the law is changed it would be
legal, and thus to be expected.

Why not just give everyone the right to turn left (but not go straight ahead
or right) at red traffic lights, subject to a requirement to give way to
pedestrians crossing the road into which the driver/rider is turning?

It works well in the USA.

A cyclist turning along side a motor vehicle can easily stay inside of
the vehicle's turn.

On the down side motorists often don't want to stop for pedestrians
who have the right of way.


Bret Cahill

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:47:03 -0700, Bret Cahill wrote:

"Proposed alterations to the highway code to give cyclists the right
to make a left turn at red traffic lights will probably not happen,
Roads Minister Mike Penning told MPs.
Why "Thank goodness for that"? If the law is changed it would be
legal, and thus to be expected.

Why not just give everyone the right to turn left (but not go straight
ahead or right) at red traffic lights, subject to a requirement to give
way to pedestrians crossing the road into which the driver/rider is
turning?

It works well in the USA.

A cyclist turning along side a motor vehicle can easily stay inside of
the vehicle's turn.

Sometimes not easily.
Sometimes only by jumping up on the footpath or onto the side of the road.
And sometimes not at all ......





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Life is a venereal disease with 100% mortality.