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free rotating wheels?
Has anyone toyed with the idea of making a unicycle like a bike in asence that you can pedal forwards and when you stop pedaling you just coast and can't really ride backwards? I mean.. obviously you would have to mount a brake on it, but i was wondering ifthe theory has been tested..... -- XWonka - Look! It's Me! [image: http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/xwonka/chumpscrot.gif] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ XWonka's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/3957 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/27954 |
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free rotating wheels?
Yes it has...by Joe maybe? P.S. How long is that animation going to stay in your signature line? -- andrew_carter - 'Training' for UniNats HTTP://WWW.UNICYCLIST.COM/GALLERY/ANDREW andrew_carter (at) mail (dot) com http://www.unicycles.com.au - Opening soon! I love unicycling! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ andrew_carter's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/1052 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/27954 |
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Really? I would desprately like to see a vid. of it ridden. PLus, how hard would it be? It just seems like a really practical idea for commuting. As long as it takes, andrew. As long as it takes. -- XWonka - Look! It's Me! [image: http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/xwonka/chumpscrot.gif] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ XWonka's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/3957 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/27954 |
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On the video I saw the person who I think was Joe got 5m or so but then stopped pedaling (for fun I assum) and did a pretty fun looking dismount. P.S. Oh God, they're multiplying! -- andrew_carter - 'Training' for UniNats HTTP://WWW.UNICYCLIST.COM/GALLERY/ANDREW andrew_carter (at) mail (dot) com http://www.unicycles.com.au - Opening soon! I love unicycling! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ andrew_carter's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/1052 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/27954 |
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XWonka, isn't what you're describing essentially what bicyclists do when they do wheelies? Just get rid of the front half of the bike, and there you go. -- paco - Proud owner of 2 opposable thumbs Here is Luke doing a bit of off-road hand wheel-walking on an eccentric impossible kangaroo. -mike.hinson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ paco's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/3715 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/27954 |
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free rotating wheels? [or a coasting machine?]
XWonka wrote:
Has anyone toyed with the idea of making a unicycle like a bike in that you can pedal forwards and when you stop pedaling you just coast and can't really ride backwards? I built a forward only drive unicycle in 1991 that coasts when pedaling is stopped and backward pedaling has no effect. The hub consists of a 5/8" axle, a regular bearing and a unidirectional bearing with a hub shell that fits snuggly over the two bearings. The axle can move freely in one direction relative to the hub shell and the axle and hub shell must move as a fixed unit in the other direction due to the unidirectional bearing. The hub assembly is mounted to any standard unicycle frame via the two normal bearings in the frame. Thus such a forward only drive unicycle has a total of four bearings. The hub assembly bearings have an inside diameter of 5/8" and the outside diameter was 1". The hub shell is a 1" inside diameter pipe with flanges welded to each end. Tom Miller of The Unicycle Factory helped me build the hub assembly. WARNING: The unidirectional bearings wear out fast and the bearings must fit quite snug. I used three unidirectional bearings in the course of a year of moderate use. Should be used only in level areas to reduce stress to the unidirection bearing. Try to minimize applied torque while riding to prolong unidirectional bearing life. In a previous post, Ken Fuchs wrote: It used a special needle bearing. The bearing would allow the axel to rotate in one direction (free wheel), but not the other direction. The needle bearings can move slightly in the direction of axel movement in depressions that are normal depth on one side (i.e. the clockwise side) and shallow depth on the other side (i.e. the counter-clockwise side). Each bearing turns freely on the deep side of its depression and binds tightly against the axle on the shallow side of its depression. Thus the axle turns freely in the clockwise direction (freewheels) and binds to the bearing after a few degrees axel movement in the counter-clockwise direction. Instead of a normal hub, the unidirectional unicycle has a hub shell, axel, a normal bearing on one side and a unidirectional bearing on the other side. These two bearings are press fitted into each side of the hub shell and the axel is placed inside these bearings. This hub assembly is attached to a standard unicycle frame via two normal unicycle bearings just like a normal hub would. The unidirectional (clutch) bearing failed after at least two months of daily use of 1-2 hours each day. I bought some spares and later reversed the direction of the seat, making it a backward-only drive unicycle. It was originally a forward-only drive unicycle. I don't think the unidirectional bearing was up to the stress of human powered crank torque. Also, the press fit seemed to get looser after thousands of clutch uses (every time pedaling was engaged), and I switched the clutch bearing to the other side of the hub shell. (Alternatively, the inside of the hub shell actually may have been machined down too much on one end when originally made.) A unidirectional bearing on each side might deal with the stress much better. Or beefer clutch bearings, if they exist and are reasonably priced. The ones I have were a little more than $10 each. Maybe using two clutch bearings instead of one clutch bearing and one regular bearing would be sufficient to handle the forces involved. In another previous post, Ken Fuchs wrote: The inside diameter of the hub shell was probably increased after months of braking action on that surface. It probably should have been a tighter press fit. Switching the clutch bearing to the other side helped some. Also, it is probably true that the clutch needle bearing used was not designed to handle the torque generated by human legs. I tried to baby it, but the first one still eventually failed. However, the replacement bearing never failed, probably due to my increased experience on the cycle and the continued avoidance of over-stressing the clutch bearing. In yet another previous post, Ken Fuchs wrote: Tom Miller build a custom coasting hub using a clutch bearing, but it had no brake. Tom and I built a second such hub in 1991 which I used to learn coasting forward and then backwards and still have today. I'd coast on this cycle until I fell and if I ran the velocity down to near zero, I'd just start pedaling a bit and coast a few more meters, etc. At that time, unicycles didn't have brakes other than the fixed wheel crank set itself and I didn't need one for my purpose of learning to coast on the freewheeling hub, so I never considered ever adding one. The rsu archives contain more info on this particular hub (and the corresponding coasting machine). It would be interesting to hear of any bicycling or tricycling hubs that could be readily adapted for a coasting unicycle. Maybe the brake can be utilized to learn coasting faster? Maybe the brake can be adjusted so it slows down the coasting machine, but doesn't lock the wheel? Good luck to any coasting machine builders out there in uni-land! In a previous post, john_childs wrote: Power Cranks http://www.powercranks.com/ use clutch bearings (one clutch bearing on each crank). These are weird cranks that only apply power when you pedal forward. The clutch bearings they use are able to handle the power output of professional road cyclists without slipping. The bearings were rather large which explains the somewhat bulky design of the cranks. Perhaps you need to use larger clutch bearings. Or the hub body may need to be made out of a harder material. With the right bearings and the right hub body this is probably the easiest way to make a freewheel unicycle hub. XWonka wrote: I mean.. obviously you would have to mount a brake on it, but i was wondering if the theory has been tested..... The coasting machine works OK without a brake, assuming the goal is to coast indefinitely (occasionally pedaling to maintain forward movement) without one's feet leaving the pedals. Surely a brake could be added to assist in regaining balance from a backward lean (too great for coasting reflexes to compensate or if coasting is not even a goal). Such a coasting machine would be like a unibike without gears and in a standard unicycle like (pedals and wheel share the same center point) design. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs |
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XWonka wrote:
Really? I would desperately like to see a video of it ridden. Plus, how hard would it be? It just seems like a really practical idea for commuting. A forward only drive standard unicycle with a brake would probably be no harder to ride than a unibike and maybe easier due to the simpler weight distribution. The coasting part would still be very hard though, assuming one wants to coast, since coasting is not required with the addition of a brake. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs |
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nosabe332 wrote: would it be possible to make a free wheel that could lock in by means of electronics? i'm thinking that it would be highly unfeasible and ridiculously impractical, but so was the computer at its inception. Yes it would be but it would require quite a much room because the locking with electrics would require quite a much power to work fast enough. -- joona Real men use the same razor to shave their beard and legs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ joona's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/4436 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/27954 |
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free rotating wheels?
"joona" wrote in message ... nosabe332 wrote: would it be possible to make a free wheel that could lock in by means of electronics? i'm thinking that it would be highly unfeasible and ridiculously impractical, but so was the computer at its inception. Yes it would be but it would require quite a much room because the locking with electrics would require quite a much power to work fast enough. I used to work with big high speed line printers, that had a magnetic clutch/ brake assemble, activated by (I think) 12 volts DC. I have occasionally wondered whether these things might have a uni application, they worked very quickly, and we used them in a stop start mode with about 20 cycles per second. The 12 volts were applied hard on, but with a lower voltage I guess the magnetic dust in these things might cloy more gradually. Don't know how easy they would be to install, if they even proved to be suitable version available. One for the mechanics amongst us maybe? |
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free rotating wheels?
The magnetic devices or motors won't necessarily take too much room. It's the battery that causes problems. It might take quite a big current to make them work. I suppose those magnetic brakes didn't work with batteries. -- joona - )-O --Neat Real men use the same razor to shave their beard and legs ------------------------------------------------------------------------ joona's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/4436 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/27954 |
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