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Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?
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Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?
On 2017-01-06 11:06, Doug Landau wrote:
On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 10:40:24 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-04 14:44, Doug Landau wrote: On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 1:04:14 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-04 12:24, Doug Landau wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:41:41 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-03 06:21, wrote: On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 4:21:52 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-02 15:45, wrote: [...] ... All of the reviews on them are good but the tire is still new yet. Amazon wants almost $59 for the 25mmm. Yikes! https://www.amazon.com/Michelin-Pro4...E4O?th=1&psc=1 I don't mind being the test rider if the specs are good. But not at $59. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I am pretty sure that they had the 25 when I put that not out. Man, the word should have gone out pretty fast. I bought a set of the 23's to test. The Gatorskins are OK but they are pretty stiff and don't corner all that well. ... I don't care much about cornering since most of my stretches on the road bike are straight shots for miles and miles. Curves are mostly gentle like this: https://www.traillink.com/photos/ame..._1802_trlc.jpg An extreme is this bike path where you have to watch not to fall asleep over the handlebar: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._bike_path.jpg There's too much glass on the roads around here to have anything other than a reinforced tire. Here as well but of more concern are goat's head thorns. Only the best Kevlar-armed tires survive and only if you run extra thick tubes. An issue are the notoriously weak side walls of even expensive tires. It takes only one thorn to flip over or to get in while leaning into a curve. The tube damage is often so bad that it can be fixed reliably and with my tubes that's $15-20 worth of damage every time. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ You haven't tried them yet obviously http://www.performancebike.com/webap...&searchTer m= No and I couldn't find any useful professional reviews. They didn't show in line-ups of puncture-resistant tires I saw. From pictures their tires don't seem to be 3-ply in the side walls: https://cycletechreview.com/2014/rev...pen-road-tyre/ Seems she got a side wall puncture when testing: http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/revie...open-road-tyre Those are not the tires I'm talking about. Those are lightweight, 300TPI; the models I'm talking, strada ST and K, are about are like a slightly heavier gatorskin with rubber on the sidewalls. 27 TPI. https://drandalls.wordpress.com/2015...k-tire-review/ I think this is what you should be riding http://www.performancebike.com/webap...400235__400235 Thanks. I looked at Strada but couldn't find good reviews either. Just commets like in your link above, like "... but wears fast". I wonder what that means in miles compared to the Gatorskin. This ... quote "I go through about 5 of them every season with 5500 to 6500 miles, which includes front and rear tires" ... does not look so good. I am used to 2500mi per tire on the road bike. Quote "My only complaint thus far is that they were a bear to install" painfulkly reminds me of Gatorskins. 460 grams looks good though, heavier is usuall better. Will research that. BTW the fact that they last forever is exactly why I don't ride them anymore. I get great satisfaction out of wearing out and replacing the rear tire on my roadbike - I love everything about it. I like seeing the flat spot grow and take great pride in seeing two gatorskins or four ultrasports worn down to the air per year, and that is precisely why I spend $30 or $35 for gatorskins twice a year instead of $14.99 on sale 1X/year for a goddam ****ing Forte tire that I can't wear out. Now I admit that this reaction is calibrated from sometime in the past when this tire, the metro, came in a 700x25: http://www.performancebike.com/webap...400237__400237 The wee problem is that 35mm will become thoroughly stuck between the chain stays of my road bike. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?
On 2017-01-06 12:01, Radey Shouman wrote:
Joerg writes: On 2017-01-04 16:00, wrote: On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:20:30 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-04 09:12, wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 4:22:04 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-03 15:43, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-03 13:35, wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 12:01:45 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: That is definitely not the case in the Sierra foothills. They are a bane all summer long. Even now and rain doesn't seem to squash them either. I picked two out of a tire on Sunday and it has rained a lot. I would think that they would spray for the fern-like plant since it is fatal forage for sheep. I think they have given up spraying. Same with star-thistle. It is simply too late. Animals seem to have a good sense of what isn't so good for them, at least wild ones. We have lots of oleander which is dangerous for animals. Currently we have to adult females and one fawn around here. Occasionally a not so friendly looking buck. They eat just about everything green but never touch the oleanders. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ ahhh J you miss the understanding. If animals are stupid they would not survive. Doubtful that there is an evolutionary effect in North America because oleander is not native here. It was brought here IIRC from Europa and Europe got it from Africa. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ While is has a pleasant odor when in bloom which is most of the spring, summer and fall, it grows so unbelievably rapid that after the two years I was knocked out from the concussion the plant went from a small shrub to up over the top of my roof. After coming around it took me three weeks of filling the large agricultural waste bin to chop the plant down to size. Now I have to trim it even in the winter cold at least every three weeks. Otherwise it entangles itself around the custom steel framework of my front porch. Same here except we have about two dozen of them. The only way to get it of the is to dig out the whole thing. That works at least sometimes. The worst out here for mountain bikers is poison oak. Some areas have a literal forest of it. If your are very senstive to that like I am one little rear wheel slide can mean weeks of itching and ugly pus. This is a main reason why I have slowed down on many trails. My color vision isn't great so if I barrel along a trail at 20mph I won't see it in time. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Usually poison oak has to grow in partial lighting. That's what really gets me about the Eucalyptus forests they have planted. In a fir and pine forest the floor is usually too dark and the needles not conducive to poison oak growth. I have seen it in thick pine forest which is a normal kind of vegetation on singletrack around here. The result is blistering and pus on the lower legs after a couple of days. Wash thoroughly with soap, water, and a washcloth or loofah on the day of exposure. Good presentation he https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyoDRHpQK0 I do that everytime, using tecnu soap. Doesn't help much because I am super sensitive to this stuff. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Joerg writes:
On 2017-01-06 12:01, Radey Shouman wrote: Joerg writes: On 2017-01-04 16:00, wrote: On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:20:30 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-04 09:12, wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 4:22:04 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-03 15:43, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-03 13:35, wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 12:01:45 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: That is definitely not the case in the Sierra foothills. They are a bane all summer long. Even now and rain doesn't seem to squash them either. I picked two out of a tire on Sunday and it has rained a lot. I would think that they would spray for the fern-like plant since it is fatal forage for sheep. I think they have given up spraying. Same with star-thistle. It is simply too late. Animals seem to have a good sense of what isn't so good for them, at least wild ones. We have lots of oleander which is dangerous for animals. Currently we have to adult females and one fawn around here. Occasionally a not so friendly looking buck. They eat just about everything green but never touch the oleanders. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ ahhh J you miss the understanding. If animals are stupid they would not survive. Doubtful that there is an evolutionary effect in North America because oleander is not native here. It was brought here IIRC from Europa and Europe got it from Africa. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ While is has a pleasant odor when in bloom which is most of the spring, summer and fall, it grows so unbelievably rapid that after the two years I was knocked out from the concussion the plant went from a small shrub to up over the top of my roof. After coming around it took me three weeks of filling the large agricultural waste bin to chop the plant down to size. Now I have to trim it even in the winter cold at least every three weeks. Otherwise it entangles itself around the custom steel framework of my front porch. Same here except we have about two dozen of them. The only way to get it of the is to dig out the whole thing. That works at least sometimes. The worst out here for mountain bikers is poison oak. Some areas have a literal forest of it. If your are very senstive to that like I am one little rear wheel slide can mean weeks of itching and ugly pus. This is a main reason why I have slowed down on many trails. My color vision isn't great so if I barrel along a trail at 20mph I won't see it in time. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Usually poison oak has to grow in partial lighting. That's what really gets me about the Eucalyptus forests they have planted. In a fir and pine forest the floor is usually too dark and the needles not conducive to poison oak growth. I have seen it in thick pine forest which is a normal kind of vegetation on singletrack around here. The result is blistering and pus on the lower legs after a couple of days. Wash thoroughly with soap, water, and a washcloth or loofah on the day of exposure. Good presentation he https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyoDRHpQK0 I do that everytime, using tecnu soap. Doesn't help much because I am super sensitive to this stuff. With some mechanical aid, like a washcloth? I thought the illustration in the video, using grease as a standin for urushiol, was pretty good. I can't speak from too much personal experience, though. I'm not that sensitive to poison ivy, which is the major problem where I live; I have only developed a rash after pulling quite a bit of it out of my back yard. -- |
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Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?
On 2017-01-15 15:05, Radey Shouman wrote:
Joerg writes: On 2017-01-06 12:01, Radey Shouman wrote: Joerg writes: On 2017-01-04 16:00, wrote: On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:20:30 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-04 09:12, wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 4:22:04 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-03 15:43, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote: On 2017-01-03 13:35, wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 12:01:45 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: That is definitely not the case in the Sierra foothills. They are a bane all summer long. Even now and rain doesn't seem to squash them either. I picked two out of a tire on Sunday and it has rained a lot. I would think that they would spray for the fern-like plant since it is fatal forage for sheep. I think they have given up spraying. Same with star-thistle. It is simply too late. Animals seem to have a good sense of what isn't so good for them, at least wild ones. We have lots of oleander which is dangerous for animals. Currently we have to adult females and one fawn around here. Occasionally a not so friendly looking buck. They eat just about everything green but never touch the oleanders. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ ahhh J you miss the understanding. If animals are stupid they would not survive. Doubtful that there is an evolutionary effect in North America because oleander is not native here. It was brought here IIRC from Europa and Europe got it from Africa. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ While is has a pleasant odor when in bloom which is most of the spring, summer and fall, it grows so unbelievably rapid that after the two years I was knocked out from the concussion the plant went from a small shrub to up over the top of my roof. After coming around it took me three weeks of filling the large agricultural waste bin to chop the plant down to size. Now I have to trim it even in the winter cold at least every three weeks. Otherwise it entangles itself around the custom steel framework of my front porch. Same here except we have about two dozen of them. The only way to get it of the is to dig out the whole thing. That works at least sometimes. The worst out here for mountain bikers is poison oak. Some areas have a literal forest of it. If your are very senstive to that like I am one little rear wheel slide can mean weeks of itching and ugly pus. This is a main reason why I have slowed down on many trails. My color vision isn't great so if I barrel along a trail at 20mph I won't see it in time. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Usually poison oak has to grow in partial lighting. That's what really gets me about the Eucalyptus forests they have planted. In a fir and pine forest the floor is usually too dark and the needles not conducive to poison oak growth. I have seen it in thick pine forest which is a normal kind of vegetation on singletrack around here. The result is blistering and pus on the lower legs after a couple of days. Wash thoroughly with soap, water, and a washcloth or loofah on the day of exposure. Good presentation he https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyoDRHpQK0 I do that everytime, using tecnu soap. Doesn't help much because I am super sensitive to this stuff. With some mechanical aid, like a washcloth? I thought the illustration in the video, using grease as a standin for urushiol, was pretty good. Yes, with washcloth, waiting out exposure time and all. I can't speak from too much personal experience, though. I'm not that sensitive to poison ivy, which is the major problem where I live; I have only developed a rash after pulling quite a bit of it out of my back yard. I believe the poison in those is generally the same, it is urushiol. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?
On 2017-01-02 15:09, Joerg wrote:
My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The side wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd have no more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement stack. Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This leaves the Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls but ... the 700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise the foldable is "only" $39. Why is that? I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls are too flimsy. If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture resistant and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter and heavier is usually better. After my last rear Gatorskin had to say bye-bye because of yet another compromised side wall I mounted a CST Conquistare 700c*25mm. Could only find the wire bead version which is AFAIK "only" 2-ply on he sides. The side wall feels much more sturdy than on the Gatorskin and the tire went on in minutes instead of an hour. Only about 100mi to date but so far so good. After several harsh gravel and offroad sections it still looks like new. I can't distinguish a difference in the ride, maybe a tad harder, but for that I am not the right person to judge because I don't really care about comfort. Only robustness and endurance matter to me. When I mounted my last front Gatorskin a few weeks ago the wrestling of the bead over the rim left the tips of a thumb and index finger a bit numb. Still hasn't come back :-( Cost is about half so it the CST lasts 1500-2000mi I'll be happy. The side walls look like I could even use the bottle dynamo again in case I ever deplete the big Li-Ion battery, though that's unlikely. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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