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On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:27:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html What struck me about that story -- what ALWAYS strikes me about such stories, unfortunately -- is that it said that the would-be killer was charged with reckless driving and fined, but there isn't a word anywhere about buying a new bike or reimbursing Australia's national medical-care system. I don't even hope to see a miscreant asked to pay the non-medical expenses caused by an injury. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net |
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:32:46 -0400, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:27:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nraged-driver- deliberately-sideswipes-cyclist-throw-mans-bike-bushes.html What struck me about that story -- what ALWAYS strikes me about such stories, unfortunately -- is that it said that the would-be killer was charged with reckless driving and fined, but there isn't a word anywhere about buying a new bike or reimbursing Australia's national medical-care system. I don't even hope to see a miscreant asked to pay the non-medical expenses caused by an injury. I don't know about the state of Victoria, Aus, where this incident took place, but in NSW, you can make a claim against the driver in a Small Claims Court for your expenses in the matter. It is a balance of probability basis of decision and I susdpect that film would be enough to get your claim granted. If your claim is successful, the defendant (driver)can pay up or join the treadmill of the sherrif of the court seizing their property and auctioning it off until debt is paid and sherrif's expenses are covered. Caveat, limit of $10,000 and if their counter claim(if any) takes the total over $10,000, it has to go through the big. expensive court. I too am surprised that that was all the vehicle driver was charged with. I can only hope that incident brings him to the "further intention of police". |
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On 30/10/18 10:32 am, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:27:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html What struck me about that story -- what ALWAYS strikes me about such stories, unfortunately -- is that it said that the would-be killer was charged with reckless driving and fined, but there isn't a word anywhere about buying a new bike or reimbursing Australia's national medical-care system. I don't even hope to see a miscreant asked to pay the non-medical expenses caused by an injury. In Australia we have compulsory third party insurance for all motorised vehicles, that covers medical costs of anyone (other motorists, bicycle riders and pedestrians) should they be in a collision with a motor vehicle. (Depending on which state you're in, if the motor vehicle is parked and you ride in to it you may or may not be covered.) Money can be extracted via legal means to compensate for vehicle damage. I think you can get bike insurance that would cover you, as it would any other vehicle. -- JS |
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On 10/29/2018 7:32 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:27:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html What struck me about that story -- what ALWAYS strikes me about such stories, unfortunately -- is that it said that the would-be killer was charged with reckless driving and fined, but there isn't a word anywhere about buying a new bike or reimbursing Australia's national medical-care system. I don't even hope to see a miscreant asked to pay the non-medical expenses caused by an injury. As I tried to post yesterday before my newsreader lost contact: That wasn't reckless driving. That was a deliberate assault. That motorist should never drive again. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:32:49 PM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:27:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html What struck me about that story -- what ALWAYS strikes me about such stories, unfortunately -- is that it said that the would-be killer was charged with reckless driving and fined, but there isn't a word anywhere about buying a new bike or reimbursing Australia's national medical-care system. I don't even hope to see a miscreant asked to pay the non-medical expenses caused by an injury. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net And like everywhere else in the world the punishment NEVER fits the crime that motorists commonly commit against other road users. I was riding up Niles Canyon which has become a commute highway despite it being only two lanes and there also being a gravel quarry at the eastern end. There is a narrow RR bridge and as I approached it I pulled to the center of the lane. A gravel truck came around a turn behind me and seeing me his stomped on the gas. I made it through the narrows and pulled over to the side and over so that the bridge protected me. This double came under that bridge at over 60 mph. Since the road swerves under that bridge he almost lost control of it and the rear trailer was weaving back and forth across the road so strongly that it took up the entire road. Had there been a car or worse yet, another truck coming the other way there would have been a HUGE collision. This was in my mind attempted murder. But I had no way of identifying that truck since it was completely covered with gravel dust. I couldn't even see what color it was. But there were cars behind him that might have reported him because those trucks are the most polite in the Canyon now. |
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On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle. I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk. Hmm. -- JS |
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On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote:
On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle.Â* I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk.Â* Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote: On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle.* I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk.* Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. I certainly understand what you are saying but we just bought a new car - some $27,000 in U.S. money - and if some nitwit on a bicycle were to carve a groove down the side of the new car I might not run his bike off the road with the car but I'd be tempted, probably beyond my ability to resist, to hit him with a stick. Just to test the effectiveness of his helmet, so to speak. Depending on the severely of the "keying" it can cost several thousand dollars (here, in a decent shop) to return the car to its like new condition. What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? cheers, John B. |
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On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 7:54:46 PM UTC-7, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 22:01:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/1/2018 5:44 PM, James wrote: On 30/10/18 9:27 am, AMuzi wrote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ke-bushes.html It has emerged that the bike rider had keyed the vehicle before this incident. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-viral.html What hasn't emerged is why he keyed the vehicle.Â* I have been in contact with the person who broke the story, and apparently the cyclist is no longer willing to talk.Â* Hmm. Yes, we don't know why he keyed the vehicle; and I don't think that act is usually unprovoked. In any case, it doesn't justify an attack with a deadly weapon. Damaging a person's car is not the same as damaging his body. But one weird psychological side effect of motoring is that many people react the same way. I've seen guys get enraged when someone leaned on their car, as they would if someone grabbed their neck. I certainly understand what you are saying but we just bought a new car - some $27,000 in U.S. money - and if some nitwit on a bicycle were to carve a groove down the side of the new car I might not run his bike off the road with the car but I'd be tempted, probably beyond my ability to resist, to hit him with a stick. Just to test the effectiveness of his helmet, so to speak. Depending on the severely of the "keying" it can cost several thousand dollars (here, in a decent shop) to return the car to its like new condition. What justifies a cyclist doing that sort of damage to my new car? There is no justification, but that does not excuse assault. It is questionable whether you could even effect a citizen's arrest for minor property damage. The most reasonable approach would be to photograph or maybe follow to an address. I really don't know, but running the guy down is clearly not acceptable. -- Jay Beattie. |
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