URT sucks?

On 27 Jun 2003 09:16:46 -0700, (Spider) wrote:

Dave W wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:56:02 +0200, "Dave Stocker"
wrote:

"P e t e F a g e r l i n" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .
Apparently you missed this part:

"Unified Rear Triangle (URT) "

"Placements ranges from very close to the BB (Trek/Gary Fisher) to in
the middle of the downtube (John Castellianos patented "Sweet Spot" on
for example Schwinn, Ibis)"

The Bow Ti is a URT.


No I did not miss it. Just because Ibis used Castellianos' "Sweet Spot", it
does NOT automatically follow that the Bow Ti is a URT.

snip more of the same

|
|The inherent problem with this design is that the rider is in effect
|standing on the swingarm. This is less of a problem when the rider is
|seated, but the natural tendency when going over larger obstacles, rough
|terrain, or technical sections is to stand up, rendering the rear
suspension
|almost useless. The flip side to this effect is that during sprinted or
|climbing out of the saddle, the suspension's lack of movement is
considered
|a bonus, as less energy is wasted in suspension movement.
|
|There have been several very popular URT bikes in the past, most notably
the
|Klein Mantra, the Trek/Gary Fisher Y-bikes, and the Ibis Sweet Spot.
There
|have also been twists on the URT design in the form of the GT iDrive and
the
|Paul Turner desiged Maverick."
|
|LOL! This is all consistent with what I said.

How can it be consistent with what you said, when you claim that the
Bow Ti should not be labeled as a URT, and each article shows that the
Bow Ti is a URT?


The seated vs standing part is consistent with what I said. As I said
earlier, there was no specific mention of the Bow Ti in any of these. But
this is a moot, bucause I already said in my last post that I now agree that
the Bow Ti is a URT. So what is the problem?

-Dave


Haven't you figured that out yet? It's Pete "never wrong" Fagerlin. As
soon as you realize this you'll save yourself a whole lot of crap,
like you just went through.

While he might not have figured that out, he certainly knows not to
take advice from Dave "always wrong" Wussyass, because banging your
head against the wall is so much more productive.

He arachnoid, don't you think the advice is sound given what Pete lead
this thread into. Oh, nevermind, I forgot you're a dumbass...

Sorry, my mistake.

Dave (Kiss my wussyass!)