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Old October 22nd 06, 09:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Slark
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Default Kinetics Cycle Shop - SON Hub

I've seen Kinetics recommended for SON hubs. Looking at their website, there
is a cost of £45 to build into a wheel - I assume Kinetics will sell rims
and spokes as well? I can't seem to find anything on the website (I know, I
know - I will call tomorrow, but, of course, I want to know now!)

Separately, E6S and E6Z laps are often recommened - anybody going to say
don't be silly? (for unlit country roads). I guess I need mounting brackets
separately as well...

Graham


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Old October 23rd 06, 12:28 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
davek
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Default Kinetics Cycle Shop - SON Hub

Slark wrote:
I've seen Kinetics recommended for SON hubs. Looking at their website, there
is a cost of £45 to build into a wheel - I assume Kinetics will sell rims
and spokes as well? I can't seem to find anything on the website (I know, I
know - I will call tomorrow, but, of course, I want to know now!)


I can't really help there, but I got my SON-hubbed hand-built wheel from
SJS - might be worth looking at them just to compare prices (as long as
you are not one of those people that is ideologically opposed to SJS).

Separately, E6S and E6Z laps are often recommened - anybody going to say
don't be silly? (for unlit country roads). I guess I need mounting brackets
separately as well...


I use a Lumotec Oval, which is /adequate/ for unlit country lanes, but
having seen the amount of light given off by other riders using E6/E6Z
combos, I would say they are well worth the cost if you can afford them.

Also worth looking at the Solidlights 1203D, which my some-time riding
companion on the Invicta 400 had on his bike - so I can vouch for the
superb illumination it gives (it swamped my lighting, which was
problematic because his bracket had broken so the light was hanging on
loosely by a cable tie and riding alongside him was like being at a
school disco...)

d.
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Old October 23rd 06, 08:13 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Raven
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Default Kinetics Cycle Shop - SON Hub

Slark wrote on 22/10/2006 21:48 +0100:
I've seen Kinetics recommended for SON hubs. Looking at their website, there
is a cost of £45 to build into a wheel - I assume Kinetics will sell rims
and spokes as well? I can't seem to find anything on the website (I know, I
know - I will call tomorrow, but, of course, I want to know now!)

Separately, E6S and E6Z laps are often recommened - anybody going to say
don't be silly? (for unlit country roads). I guess I need mounting brackets
separately as well...


If you do go to Kinetics make sure you agree a delivery date and are
able to cancel your order if its not delivered by then. Their concept
of time and responding to "well where is it?" questions appears not to
be good. I know of one person who has been waiting since July for a
relatively minor bit of work on a bike.


--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci
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Old October 23rd 06, 09:06 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Kinetics Cycle Shop - SON Hub

Tony Raven wrote:

If you do go to Kinetics make sure you agree a delivery date and are
able to cancel your order if its not delivered by then. Their concept
of time and responding to "well where is it?" questions appears not to
be good. I know of one person who has been waiting since July for a
relatively minor bit of work on a bike.


I would second that advice. I personally won't purchase from Kinetics
again given my own experiences.

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Old October 23rd 06, 09:07 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Slark
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Default Kinetics Cycle Shop - SON Hub


"LSMike" wrote in message
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Tony Raven wrote:

If you do go to Kinetics make sure you agree a delivery date and are
able to cancel your order if its not delivered by then. Their concept
of time and responding to "well where is it?" questions appears not to
be good. I know of one person who has been waiting since July for a
relatively minor bit of work on a bike.


I would second that advice. I personally won't purchase from Kinetics
again given my own experiences.


Interesting. Thank you for the advice.

Graham


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Old October 23rd 06, 09:09 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Clinch
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Tony Raven wrote:
Slark wrote on 22/10/2006 21:48 +0100:
I've seen Kinetics recommended for SON hubs. Looking at their website,
there is a cost of £45 to build into a wheel - I assume Kinetics will
sell rims and spokes as well? I can't seem to find anything on the
website (I know, I know - I will call tomorrow, but, of course, I want
to know now!)


I think that's the additional cost for the materials and labour
together, though do check first (Ben built me the front wheel of my Brom
plus SON and I certainly don't recall thinking the extra for the build
was at all steep). Also, you may wish to change the spec of the
rims/spokes.

Kinetics make sure you agree a delivery date and are
able to cancel your order if its not delivered by then. Their concept
of time and responding to "well where is it?" questions appears not to
be good.


This is a fair comment. While Kinetics is my primary source of Things
Bike and I will happily spend there again, Ben tends to have rather too
many projects on the go at a time to be a truly reliable source of mail
order all of the time, and the last couple of things have needed 'phone
reminders (they got here though, and when he says he has them he really
/does/ have them, rather than saying he has them and then ordering them
up like some places seem to do). While he has employed an extra in the
past, I don't know if Rosie is still there and it is primarily the Ben
Cooper Bike Shop rather than a big place with separate folk doing the
post office bit.

Pete.
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Old October 23rd 06, 09:56 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pinky
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Default Kinetics Cycle Shop - SON Hub

"Slark" wrote in message
...
I've seen Kinetics recommended for SON hubs. Looking at their website,
there is a cost of £45 to build into a wheel - I assume Kinetics will sell
rims and spokes as well? I can't seem to find anything on the website (I
know, I know - I will call tomorrow, but, of course, I want to know now!)

Separately, E6S and E6Z laps are often recommened - anybody going to say
don't be silly? (for unlit country roads). I guess I need mounting
brackets separately as well...

Graham


I.'ve just bought an IXON front LED lamp from Kinetics ( which is,
according to the web site, a one man "band" -- which I didn't know when I
placed the order)
It was ordered on 24 September and delivered on Saturday 20 October. And not
a single reply to emails asking for reason for delay.
I shall not use him again.
But the lamp is very good even though I had to pawn my bike to afford to
buy it!

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk


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Old October 23rd 06, 04:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Andy Cox
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Default Kinetics Cycle Shop - SON Hub

I'm also thinking of buying a new SON-hubbed wheel. SJS seem to be the only
people out there with a published price for an off-the-shelf wheel, but
don't sell the E6S & E6Z, in fact Kinetics is the only place I can find
them.

Is there anywhere else that sells these?

Also, any thoughts on 32h Vs 36h? I'm tempted towards 36 for a bit of extra
strength, but maybe this is overkill...

One final point, do the SON lights come with the necessary brackets and
cables?

Thanks,

AC

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Old October 23rd 06, 04:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Clinch
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Default Kinetics Cycle Shop - SON Hub

Andy Cox wrote:

Also, any thoughts on 32h Vs 36h? I'm tempted towards 36 for a bit of
extra strength, but maybe this is overkill...


It'll only weigh you down at extra 4 spokes... but unless it's a heavy
duty application (i.e., tandem) then it's probably more than you need.

One final point, do the SON lights come with the necessary brackets and
cables?


Don't know, but as a data point if you change your mind the BuM ones do.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
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Old October 23rd 06, 04:39 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Kinetics Cycle Shop - SON Hub

Andy Cox wrote:
I'm also thinking of buying a new SON-hubbed wheel. SJS seem to be the only
people out there with a published price for an off-the-shelf wheel, but
don't sell the E6S & E6Z, in fact Kinetics is the only place I can find
them.

Is there anywhere else that sells these?


I got mine through http://www.bikeplus.co.uk

Select Wheels on the left hand side, then "Wheels: Schmidt" in the drop
down "Select a type" box.

(I have no connection with bikeplus, just a happy customer).

Fantastic service. Upgraded the rim for free as they didn't have the
one I ordered in stock. Delivered within 5 days. Great wheel build (but
it's only done 400km so far, I'll judge it properly after another
4600km).

Just over 200 quid for a SON in an Ambrosio Excellight wheel with a
Lumotech Oval Plus lamp, all appropriate brackets and cables. Not bad
for SON, lamp, quality rim, spokes, quality wheel build and sundries.

You can choose 32 or 36 spokes, a 2.4W or 3W bulb, and even upgrade the
lamp to another if you so wish.

Also, any thoughts on 32h Vs 36h? I'm tempted towards 36 for a bit of extra
strength, but maybe this is overkill...


Depends. I was worried about my lardy self buckling wheels and was told
that 32 holes was fine for me (85kg).

One final point, do the SON lights come with the necessary brackets and
cables?


The cable should come with the light, not the SON, same for the
brackets but make sure you're getting one.

The cable is part of the Lumotech Oval Plus itself and it came with
brackets for both caliper and canti brakes.

Very happy with it, no noticable drag whatsoever (light on or off) and
very happy for the vast pools of light for the last couple of hours of
the Golden Tints Audax where I was in complete darkness in deepest
darkest Essex.

-Alex

 




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