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Grand Tour winners
Just to keep things in perspective : Merckx won 11 GTs : 5 Tours, 5 Giros and 1 Vuelta Hinault won 10 GTs : 5 Tours, 3 Giros and 2 Vueltas Indurain won 7 GTs : 5 Tours and 2 Giros. Armstrong won 7 Tours. The first 3 achieved the feat of winning 2 GTs in the same year. |
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Bob Martin wrote:
Just to keep things in perspective : Merckx won 11 GTs : 5 Tours, 5 Giros and 1 Vuelta Hinault won 10 GTs : 5 Tours, 3 Giros and 2 Vueltas Indurain won 7 GTs : 5 Tours and 2 Giros. Armstrong won 7 Tours. The first 3 achieved the feat of winning 2 GTs in the same year. Thanks for the perspective. It's like saying that if Tiger had won 7 Masters and only 7 Masters that would make him the greatest golfer of all time, of course we know he's conquered all major titles, but that's my point. |
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This must mean that LA is the greatest TDF rider ever.
"Manco" wrote in message news:UbPEe.5269$dM3.56@trnddc04... Bob Martin wrote: Just to keep things in perspective : Merckx won 11 GTs : 5 Tours, 5 Giros and 1 Vuelta Hinault won 10 GTs : 5 Tours, 3 Giros and 2 Vueltas Indurain won 7 GTs : 5 Tours and 2 Giros. Armstrong won 7 Tours. The first 3 achieved the feat of winning 2 GTs in the same year. Thanks for the perspective. It's like saying that if Tiger had won 7 Masters and only 7 Masters that would make him the greatest golfer of all time, of course we know he's conquered all major titles, but that's my point. |
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Suppose we do, will you shut up and go away?
MikeW wrote: This must mean that LA is the greatest TDF rider ever. "Manco" wrote in message news:UbPEe.5269$dM3.56@trnddc04... Bob Martin wrote: Just to keep things in perspective : Merckx won 11 GTs : 5 Tours, 5 Giros and 1 Vuelta Hinault won 10 GTs : 5 Tours, 3 Giros and 2 Vueltas Indurain won 7 GTs : 5 Tours and 2 Giros. Armstrong won 7 Tours. The first 3 achieved the feat of winning 2 GTs in the same year. Thanks for the perspective. It's like saying that if Tiger had won 7 Masters and only 7 Masters that would make him the greatest golfer of all time, of course we know he's conquered all major titles, but that's my point. |
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"Bob Martin" a écrit dans le message de news: ... I think that if some champions don't participate different tour it's because they do know they won't be able to win all of them. |
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Bob Martin wrote: Just to keep things in perspective : Merckx won 11 GTs : 5 Tours, 5 Giros and 1 Vuelta Hinault won 10 GTs : 5 Tours, 3 Giros and 2 Vueltas Indurain won 7 GTs : 5 Tours and 2 Giros. Armstrong won 7 Tours. The first 3 achieved the feat of winning 2 GTs in the same year. OK, now lets keep *this* in perspective. These days, *all* the riders in the world who have a good chance on GC focus their season on the Tour. The competition is extremely tough; the best of the best at their best. It is a much tougher race to win than the Giro or Vuelta... which are deemed important only by local riders who do not have a chance in the Tour! In the old days it was a different story. Pretty much everyone raced all the races all year, and did their best. As long as everyone is doing the same thing, the racers are on a level playing field. There was no single race that all the riders focused on... the Tour just wasn't that big of a deal. If Lance wanted to win the Giro and Vuelta in the same year, it would have been easy... but then he would have compromised his conditioning for the Tour... which is the true world championship, since it is the only race in the world where all the best riders show up to win. He also could have won a sizeable number of classics and world championships... but he didn't compete in them because he didn't need to or wish to. Merckx was clearly dominant in his day... and Armstrong was in his. If Armstrong had raced in Merckx's day, I imagine Merckx would have bested him more often than not... but he is the only rider in history that I would put above him... and I'm not sure about that. BTW, I'm not a big Lance fan... but I can still appreciate the incredible talent, determination, and focus it takes to win the toughest race in the world against the best riders, 7 years in a row... when one bad day or one unlucky moment could have lost it. |
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Fausto Coppi won 7 GTs: 5 Giros, 2 Tours (+KoM). He was the first rider to
double Giro/Tour in the same year (1949) repeating in 1952. He surely could have won more without WWII (the Giro was interrupted between 1941-45 and the Tour between 1940-46), as he had won his first Giro in 1940. Also he was not training and peacefully waiting for the war to finish, he was in the Italian army and was a prisoner in Africa for several months. "Bob Martin" escribió en el mensaje ... Just to keep things in perspective : Merckx won 11 GTs : 5 Tours, 5 Giros and 1 Vuelta Hinault won 10 GTs : 5 Tours, 3 Giros and 2 Vueltas Indurain won 7 GTs : 5 Tours and 2 Giros. Armstrong won 7 Tours. The first 3 achieved the feat of winning 2 GTs in the same year. |
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Ron Ruff wrote:
It [TdF] is a much tougher race to win than the Giro or Vuelta... which are deemed important only by local riders who do not have a chance in the Tour! Basso. -- Dave dvt at psu dot edu |
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in 476474 20050726 175759 dvt wrote:
Ron Ruff wrote: It [TdF] is a much tougher race to win than the Giro or Vuelta... which are deemed important only by local riders who do not have a chance in the Tour! Basso. Hinault, Indurain, Rominger ... |
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