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  #21  
Old March 24th 09, 06:57 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 24, 1:07 pm, Jym Dyer wrote:
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You must be retarded if you think that my purpose here is to sell t-
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  #22  
Old March 25th 09, 02:45 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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In article ,
ComandanteBanana writes:
On Mar 24, 12:16*am, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article ],
* * * * Ryan Cousineau writes:





In article ,
*"Simon Mason" wrote:


"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
...
This is where my data comes from...


(Specialized catalog)


"100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can
power a car 280 feet"


And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles
per banana.


But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1
block...


So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my
next t-shirt...


"I get 3 miles per banana, do you?"


You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as
well.


I once calculated it for watermelons, and it takes about a third of a
litre of diesel to move a watermelon across the Pacific Ocean. I believe
rail transport is even more fuel-efficient.


http://vancouver.metblogs.com/2008/0...-not-want-not/


Yes, it is easily possible to use more gas getting fruit from the store
to your house than it took to get it from the field to the produce
aisle. That this isn't an obvious result is a bit surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail.


But you must remember, goods movement is highly
inter-modal. *Those watermelons going across the
Pacific Ocean have to be offloaded by motorized
cranes, and moved around by all kinds of motorized
vehicles before they ultimately end up in the
supermarket or green grocer's. *And then ports
generally have a bunch of security personnel,
supervisors and other staff driving around.

I think both moving a 5 ton SUV to the supermarket and shipping a
watermelon from foreign lands is wasteful, and directly responsible
for Climate Change, a stupid foreign policy in the Middle East, as
well as starving the local farmers, among other evils.


So you're against international trade. I assume that
includes shipping North American goods, produce,
medical supplies, etc overseas.

Enjoy your bananas.
Here -- have another.

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I'm really at:
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  #23  
Old March 25th 09, 07:13 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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In article ,
"Leo Lichtman" wrote:

"Ryan Cousineau" .(clip) That this isn't an obvious result is a bit
surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail. (clip)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By the same token, the average shopper spends far more for groceries than
for the gasoline to get them home. Fuel costs are minor compared to food
cost, so how can we assume the truckers and shippers are spending less than
we are?


Well, not less, and yes, you've found a hole in my argument (namely,
that people rarely buy groceries at the rate of one item per
store-visit).

That said, truckers and shippers make it up in volume. I don't think
most people apprehend what the cargo capacities we're talking about are
like:

Honda Element: 25 cubic feet (75 if you remove the back seats)
40' container: 2385 cu. ft
Container ship: 8,500,000 cubic feet (figuring about 7,000 TEU**, which
is a big ship, but the biggest are now clearing 15,000 TEU)


*the Element motor has 160 hp; a Cat C13 diesel engine gets by with
350-530, albeit with four-figure torque.

**Twenty-foot Equivalent Units. The most common modern container is 40'
long: a 2-TEU container.

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  #24  
Old March 25th 09, 10:48 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 24, 11:13*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article ,
*"Leo Lichtman" wrote:

"Ryan Cousineau" .(clip) That this isn't an obvious result is a bit
surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail. (clip)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By the same token, the average shopper spends far more for groceries *than
for the gasoline to get them home. *Fuel costs are minor compared to food
cost, so how can we assume the truckers and shippers are spending less than
we are?


Well, not less, and yes, you've found a hole in my argument (namely,
that people rarely buy groceries at the rate of one item per
store-visit).

That said, truckers and shippers make it up in volume. I don't think
most people apprehend what the cargo capacities we're talking about are
like:

Honda Element: 25 cubic feet (75 if you remove the back seats)
40' container: 2385 cu. ft
Container ship: 8,500,000 cubic feet (figuring about 7,000 TEU**, which
is a big ship, but the biggest are now clearing 15,000 TEU)

*the Element motor has 160 hp; a Cat C13 diesel engine gets by with
350-530, albeit with four-figure torque.

**Twenty-foot Equivalent Units. The most common modern container is 40'
long: a 2-TEU container.

--
Ryan Cousineau /
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."


A few random comments:

- The Honda Element would do well to handle 500 pounds of groceries
and lucky to get 40mpg doing so. A typical over road truck is capable
of carrying loads in excess of 50,000 lbs and can get well over 6mpg
doing it. This means the element is getting 4 ton-miles/gallon while
the truck is getting about 150 ton-miles per gallon.

- Assume that our cyclist is transporting 200lbs of Bananas and as
someone suggested, gets the equivalent of 900 mpg. Ignoring the fact
that a cycliist hauling 200lbs of Bananas is going to be considerably
less efficient, this works out to about 90 ton-miles/gallon. So, if
you want to transport your bananas from South America to the your
marketplace, clearly a truck is the more efficient method. Rail and
Ships are considerably more efficient.

- Those Honda Horses, they pretty much in someones head, ask that
motor to actually put out 160hp for a moment, oh one probably did it
for a moment or two on a test stand somewhere before it exploded.
Those Caterpillar Horses, they are right there and real... The run in
for a Cummins diesel used to be an hour on a Dyno... The spec was
that if the engine had to produce at least 96% of the rated power for
15 minutes, otherwise it needed fixin'...

Oh well...

Jon
  #25  
Old March 25th 09, 03:20 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
ComandanteBanana
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On Mar 24, 9:45*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * ComandanteBanana writes:





On Mar 24, 12:16*am, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article ],
* * * * Ryan Cousineau writes:


In article ,
*"Simon Mason" wrote:


"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message
...
This is where my data comes from...


(Specialized catalog)


"100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can
power a car 280 feet"


And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles
per banana.


But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1
block...


So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my
next t-shirt...


"I get 3 miles per banana, do you?"


You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as
well.


I once calculated it for watermelons, and it takes about a third of a
litre of diesel to move a watermelon across the Pacific Ocean. I believe
rail transport is even more fuel-efficient.


http://vancouver.metblogs.com/2008/0...-not-want-not/


Yes, it is easily possible to use more gas getting fruit from the store
to your house than it took to get it from the field to the produce
aisle. That this isn't an obvious result is a bit surprising to me: you
can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at
retail.


But you must remember, goods movement is highly
inter-modal. *Those watermelons going across the
Pacific Ocean have to be offloaded by motorized
cranes, and moved around by all kinds of motorized
vehicles before they ultimately end up in the
supermarket or green grocer's. *And then ports
generally have a bunch of security personnel,
supervisors and other staff driving around.

I think both moving a 5 ton SUV to the supermarket and shipping a
watermelon from foreign lands is wasteful, and directly responsible
for Climate Change, a stupid foreign policy in the Middle East, as
well as starving the local farmers, among other evils.


So you're against international trade. *I assume that
includes shipping North American goods, produce,
medical supplies, etc overseas.


No, I'm against Globalization when it means losing American jobs to
China or Mexico. For one, it destroyed American unions and secondly
they have few environmental controls down there. And thirdly the
shipping is plain insane.

You should go and work in maquiladora with gang violence and all. But
that's American import, isn't it? I mean PROHIBITION, of course.

  #26  
Old March 25th 09, 03:24 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 25, 5:48*am, " wrote:

- *Assume that our cyclist is transporting 200lbs of Bananas and as
someone suggested, gets the equivalent of 900 mpg. * Ignoring the fact
that a cycliist hauling 200lbs of Bananas is going to be considerably
less efficient, this works out to about 90 ton-miles/gallon. *


I'm just waiting for any excuse to jump on my bike and go to the
supermarket.

How many Americans can do that safely?

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Old March 25th 09, 03:46 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 25, 9:48 am, " wrote:
snip
- Those Honda Horses, they pretty much in someones head, ask that
motor to actually put out 160hp for a moment, oh one probably did it
for a moment or two on a test stand somewhere before it exploded.
Those Caterpillar Horses, they are right there and real... The run in
for a Cummins diesel used to be an hour on a Dyno... The spec was
that if the engine had to produce at least 96% of the rated power for
15 minutes, otherwise it needed fixin'...

Oh well...

Jon


The Honda and the Cat are both rated by the same SAE protocol for the
exact same period of time, as required by US law.

Opus
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Old March 25th 09, 05:58 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 25, 7:46*am, Opus wrote:
On Mar 25, 9:48 am, " wrote:

snip
- Those Honda Horses, they pretty much in someones head, ask that
motor to actually put out 160hp for a moment, oh one probably did it
for a moment or two on a test stand somewhere before it exploded.
Those Caterpillar Horses, they are right there and real... The run in
for a Cummins diesel used to be an hour on a Dyno... *The spec was
that if the engine had to produce at least 96% of the rated power for
15 minutes, otherwise it needed fixin'...


Oh well...


Jon


The Honda and the Cat are both rated by the same SAE protocol for the
exact same period of time, as required by US law.

Opus


I looked around and saw a lot of pages touting "certified SAE
Horsepower" but I did not find anything that actually stated the
actual testing procedure without paying for it. I am highly skeptical
that a gasoline automobile motor could last 15 minutes on a dyno at
full power where as it quite well established that a commercial diesel
motor can do this for hours even days on end...

Jon

Jon
  #29  
Old March 25th 09, 07:26 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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I wonder why Europe is so much ahead in everything, but in military
matters.

Fast trains and bikes are just good examples (among other issues like
healthcare, drug liberalization, public transportation and traffic
safety)

EuroVelo, the European cycle route network, is a project of the
European Cyclists' Federation (ECF).

"EuroVelo is made up of 12 routes, totalling over 66,000 km, of which
about 45,000 km is already in place. The EuroVelo routes are made up
of existing and planned cycle routes at regional and national level,
selected according to published criteria (see the EuroVelo Guidelines
for Implementation/ Route principles for further details). A
signposting system for EuroVelo routes has been developed (see the
Manual Signalization for EuroVelo routes for details). The development
and operation of the EuroVelo routes are carried out by national,
regional and local governments, commercial service providers and NGOs
in all the European countries. ECF is ready to be a partner in
projects on developing EuroVelo routes and promoting their use."

http://www.ecf.com/14_1
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Old March 26th 09, 03:55 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 25, 4:58 pm, " wrote:
snip

I looked around and saw a lot of pages touting "certified SAE
Horsepower" but I did not find anything that actually stated the
actual testing procedure without paying for it. I am highly skeptical
that a gasoline automobile motor could last 15 minutes on a dyno at
full power where as it quite well established that a commercial diesel
motor can do this for hours even days on end...

Jon

Jon


Be skeptical all you want, I forgot the exact number of hours the test
requires the engine to stay at full power, but several manufacturers
have used those test results to project 100.000 mile record runs,
particularly Subaru and Benz. That's 100,000 miles at full power only
stopping for gas or diesel, driver changes every 4 hours as required
by the FIA for safety, and oil changes and air filter replacement. The
used to allow for spark plug changes, but as I haven't been involved
in that kind of testing in more than 20 years I don't know what the
rules are for changing spark plugs. I know that when Subaru did their
record attempt they changed spark plugs at 50.000 miles but that was
last century. Benz' last attempt was with a diesel so they didn't have
any plugs to change.

Opus
 




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