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? Apparently J wasn't impressed....geometry change change throwem off ?
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Hmmm I haven't eaten a supplement or small package energy 'food' ...
Buying one for the backpack as an emergency device seems appealing. Recommend one giving a long lasting low dose type charge ? REI is big on GU. |
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On 7/31/2017 3:21 PM, Joerg wrote:
My main hydration point on yesterday's ride was this: http://edhbrewing.com/about-us.html You know, Joerg, most of us probably drink beer. Only one of us feels compelled to constantly brag about it. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 7/31/2017 5:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/31/2017 4:24 PM, wrote: What,abt the nww bike performance ? I find that new bike performance is limited by my old legs. YMMV .... and lungs. And ticker. Plus, the fire in my belly is largely gone. The fire sometimes comes back, though. We (my wife and I, riding tandem) were on a pretty leisurely club ride a couple weeks ago. A new young guy had showed up, and we were riding along chatting with him. He said he rides to stay in shape for his other sports, etc. As we talked, one of our club members who's notorious for such behavior decided to hit high gear and crank away out front for a while, then wait for the rest of the crew to catch up. When he did that, the newbie suddenly ended our conversation, saying something like "Excuse me now..." and took off. I though "Excuse me???" and told my wife "Let's go." So we reeled him in and were a comfortable ten feet behind when he caught the rabbit. For icing on the cake, our rabbit guy (as he always does) left the leisurely riders for the last five miles or so to crank in at 20 - 25 mph . My wife and I were close behind, and the newbie was a distant third. It was quite satisfying. But with a tandem, terrain is everything. If it weren't fairly flat, we'd happily ride back with the leisurely crowd. (P.S. Don't interpret this tale as a claim that I could stick with Jay, Tom or Duane, let alone James.) -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 7/31/2017 11:14 PM, James wrote:
On 01/08/17 12:59, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/31/2017 6:19 PM, wrote: On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:48:24 PM UTC-7, Duane wrote: Hammer Heed gets a bit expensive so I'm trying these Nuun tablets. Easier to deal with and no sugar. I have no personal experience with the stuff, but the ultramarathoner in our family uses Nuun. Try Red Bull. That is the only stuff I've tried that I can actually feel getting into my system and improving my performance. I've felt the pleasant kick from several of the gooey gel products containing caffeine. I've also experienced a great recovery from Mountain Dew. On a hot and fast (for me) ride last year, I was dying at about 35 miles. We stopped at a Dairy Queen to cool down and I had two cups of Dew before the ten miles or so to the end. Afterwards the ride leader told me "You took off like a bat out of hell!" He exaggerated, but I did finish before him, feeling fine. I've completed the "Alpine Audax" 200km event maybe a dozen times. I never went hunger flat. I grabbed 3-4 pieces of food from the food supplies at each check point. Muffins and small cakes. I'd eat a few quartered orange pieces where available while stopped. Always leave a stop with two full water bottles. Never used gels for those events. I have used them in some races though. Mostly because they are easier to ingest while you're working hard than a piece of cake or a banana. I don't know that I've ever actually bought a gel pack. All the ones I've had have been giveaways at invitational rides, almost entirely from my own club's rides. Shops give them to the club to pass out to the riders, and there are often leftovers. The ride at which they gave the most value was my (only) double century. I really appreciated the little kick they gave me. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 7/31/2017 4:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
Well, I felt good enough to go out yesterday for a 55 mile ride with about 20 miles of steady or rolling hills, during which time I drank one 24oz bottle of Hammer Heed and a quarter of a 21oz bottle of water -- plus a Cliff Bar. My ride was about 40 miles, pretty hilly (for me), 85 degrees, sunny and about 75% humidity. I used up two standard water bottles. I was definitely ready for the big glass of orange juice and another bottle of water at the end. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:00:31 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2017-07-29 18:33, John B. wrote: On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 07:34:09 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) Your equation doesn't mention OAT which is critical to the body's water usage. If one were riding in the Mojave desert on the 4th of July your liquid requirement wouldn't be sufficient and if in Nome on Christmas day it would be overkill. It's not my equation, it is recommended by sports medicine guys and they know a thing or two about dehydration. I assume they calculated for heavy riding where you pump out close to as much as your body will give at the current weather conditions. Note they say "per hour", not "per xx miles". If your experts did not mention air temperature and humidity then they weren't experts. As an example. When I was stationed at Edwards AFB, in the Mojave desert, a couple of "rock hounds" got stuck within easy walking distance of a main highway and decided to walk out to get help. the collapsed and died before they had walked 3 miles. On the other hand I can ride 20 km (about 12 miles) in tropical Thailand without drinking a bit. The difference, of course, is that in the Mojave desert "summertime" temperatures can be as high as 120 degrees (F) while in Thailand average temperatures in the same period may be as high as 80 degrees (F). I might also comment that elite marathon runners often cross the finish line dehydrated from 6 - 7%, so at least some of this hoopala about hydration just isn't accurate. In fact hyponatremia, caused by taking in too much water is a potentially fatal condition By the way, weighing one's self before and after exercise provides a much better indication of hydration then thirst. The usually accepted figure is not more then a 2% loss in body weight. Although as mentioned above, elite runners do exceed that number. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:37:23 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 2:00:33 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: Snipped Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Snipped It's not my equation, it is recommended by sports medicine guys and they know a thing or two about dehydration. I assume they calculated for heavy riding where you pump out close to as much as your body will give at the current weather conditions. Note they say "per hour", not "per xx miles". The same sports medicine guys who used to recomend that runners and other athletes drink so much water during exercise that some runners and athletes died of hyponatremia or water intoxication. Or are those sports medicine guys getting a kickback from the energy drink people? Cheers I don't know what they recommend now but the old time scheme was to drink until one's urine was clear and you were good to go. -- Cheers, John B. |
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