why no more steel bikes?

In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

jim beam wrote:
geeze - what a prick.

You are a bully.

Because you generally resort to the crudest form of name calling.

You are a coward.

Because you do it anonymously.

And why waste any further time on him? The only time I see his drivel
is when someone quotes him. That's enough to tell me that he hasn't
changed and isn't worth expending the energy to read.

Peter Cole wrote:
jim beam wrote:
geeze - what a prick.

You are a bully.

Because you generally resort to the crudest form of name calling.

You are a coward.

Because you do it anonymously.

bwaaaah!!! quoth the prick that dishes it out without having first got
his facts straight.

i'm here to share what i know and learn what i don't. i'm /not/ here to
get suckered into credentials ****ing matches with a bunch of sheep that
are all using one songsheet, even though their choir-master has them all
bleating desperately off-key about things like anodizing, brinneling,
fatigue, deformation, strength of materials, etc. all topics on which
you are opinionated but notably useless.

so what are you here for? off-topic chit chat, exercise of a small
little mind that doesn't like to learn anything new, beration of those
you don't happen to like and what else? reap what you sow little boy.
or grow up.

investment in a micrometer wouldn't hurt you either.

Tim McNamara wrote:
In article ,
Peter Cole wrote:

jim beam wrote:
geeze - what a prick.
You are a bully.

Because you generally resort to the crudest form of name calling.

You are a coward.

Because you do it anonymously.

And why waste any further time on him? The only time I see his drivel
is when someone quotes him. That's enough to tell me that he hasn't
changed and isn't worth expending the energy to read.

baaaa.

who makes a big public announcement of his discovery of killfiles, and
then proceeds not to use them? timmy the retard.

Clive George wrote:
"jim beam" wrote in message
t...

tom, do i waste time bleating about beer, bollards, politics, mexican
ruins, or any of the other crap that people waste their non-bike,
non-tech time with on this forum? no. do i respond to bull****ters
that want to "defend" their lies and/or ignorance with ad hominem?
you bet your ass. now, stop trying to red herring and get with the
point - beer is not bike.tech. it's bad enough around here with the
steel vs. carbon xenophobes - let's just keep it on topic or move it
off forum.

You're funny. At least the beer discussion was good natured and people
may have got some useful information from it - unlike the endless
political ones which populate this NG.

clive

so why tolerate the off-topic crap that doesn't belong here?

"Jay Beattie" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 16, 8:21 pm, "* * Chas" wrote:
"A Muzi" wrote in message

... "Art Harris"
wrote
Read about Jobst's emergency frame repair in the alps:


http://www.trentobike.org/Countries/.../Tour_of_the_A...





"* * Chas" wrote:
Jobst rides a very large frame, at least 64cm (25"). He is an
experienced
enough cyclist to have realized that the chainstay should have
been
replaced rather than patched. Even better he should have used
another
frame and not have set out on such a demanding trip with a
frame
that was
likely to fail.

wrote:
Well . . .
"Then I saw that the right chainstay had separated about 30mm
ahead
of
the dropout. This faulty tube had broken at midspan about two
years
ago, and was splinted and brazed."


http://www.trentobike.org/Countries/Europe/Tour_Reports/Tour_of_the_A...
It sounds as if the original brazing repair lasted two years.
I suspect that Jobst may still be riding the same
welding-repaired
frame. This picture shows (I _think_) the welded area:
http://mly.smugmug.com/gallery/1895371#125761100-O-LB
(fromhttp://mly.smugmug.com/gallery/1895371#125761100)
When Jobst returns from his current tour of the Alps, he can
let us
know if it's the same frame from 1995 and whether he had the
tube
replaced or is happy with the repair.
Jobst's description in the second paragraph of his tour
descriptions
didn't change the frame details in 1994, 1995, 1996, and 1997:
" . . . the frame is steel and about 26" with oversized top and
down
tubes . . ."


http://www.trentobike.org/Countries/.../Tour_of_the_A...


http://www.trentobike.org/Countries/.../Tour_of_the_A...


http://www.trentobike.org/Countries/.../Tour_of_the_A...


http://www.trentobike.org/Countries/.../Tour_of_the_A...



In 1996 and 1997, the opening heading was "How and what I took
along
(Same story as before)."
For what it's worth, here's a Honda trials machine frame,
welded at
what would be roughly the seat post on a bicycle, if bicycle
seat
posts split into an upside-down Y:
http://i12.tinypic.com/6329bww.jpg
Gas tank on the left, rear fender and dual suspension
frame-loop on
the left.
It broke clean through about 25 years ago when I foolishly
pretended
that I was back in timed competition and had a wonderful time
blasting
up and down a familiar mountain trail. So far, the repair has
lasted.

wrote:
Aha!
On 16 May 2005, Jobst wrote:
"This bicycle is over 15 years old and has at least 10,000 miles
per
year on it."


http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...c548e4b6cd90e7...



Some pictures from the post that started that thread:

http://www.bikecult.com/works/archiv...hnsonJB04.html

Smokey wrote:
Wow, that's a big inner chain ring that Jobst has. He definitely
gets
my respect for climbing the Alps with that. Anyone know how many
teeth
are on it?

wrote:
Jobst is notorious masher and uses a 50/46 x 13/24 six-speed:
"I used Avocet Road 700x28 wire-bead, non-Kevlar tires on 36 hole
Mavic MA-2 rims with 1.8-1.6mm DT spokes; Campagnolo Record brakes
(Kool-Stop red pads), small flange hubs with a SunTour new winner
pro
6-speed FW 13-15-17-19-21-24, Sun Tour Pro derailleur and downtube
shift levers, and Shimano Dura Ace 180mm cranks with 46-50 CW . .
.."


http://www.trentobike.org/Countries/.../Tour_of_the_A...



Jobst Brandt is presently using the Shimano HG Seven 13~26 cassette.
--
Andrew Muzi

We all get old sometime...... ;-)

I can't push my 49/45 13-26 halfstep gears in the hills any more.

And why should you? Not that I am a super low gear kind of guy, but I
was climbing a really steep grade on my way home from work, and some
kid goes steaming by on a fixed gear with probably a 65 inch gear.
Pretty impressive (this was a 25+ percent stair step), but he hit a
tipping point at the top of the next pitch where he could barely turn
the gear -- and where I caught up again, in my less macho gear. If he
had a reasonable gear, he would have dumped me by a long shot. He did
dump me when it flattened out a bit, but then turned off to avoid
having to duke it out with a fat 50 year old on the flats (at least
that's my story). Remember that Jobst is a freak. He is not only Mr.
Wheel, but he used to spank some seriously talented Nor Cal riders
back in the day (racers who routinely crushed me like a bug in the
70s) -- and apparently he can still generate serious torque. The rest
of us have to use reasonable gears. -- Jay Beattie.


He used to organize training rides in the evenings that would kill some of
the top local racers.

I frequently ride with a group of retro-grouches on classic steel bikes.
With a few exceptions, I've noticed that most of them use ride 28T
sprockets on their steeds. Some even have Campy NR triples and long arm
Campy RDs.

I have a 48-38-28 triple with a 13-28 cassette on one of my bikes when I
know I'm going to have to do some climbing. I can pull a lot of hills in a
38/28 but coming up Whiskey Hill bonked out at the end of a long ride
makes me glad to have a granny gear available.

Chas.

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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In article ,
"John Verheul" wrote:
Mo http://www.oskarblues.com/brew/

I haven't heard of those before.

They are fairly regional to the Rocky Mountains I think.

In general I find that American beers
tend to be either flavorless or so aggressively hopped that they are
pretty much undrinkable. The concept of "balance" seems to elude
microbrewers in much the same way that American wines tend to be so
heavily oaked that it's like sucking on wood chips. "If some is good
more is better" is the general motto, it seems.

I prefer British/Irish/Scottish style ales, for the most part. I like to
taste the malt (and with wines I like to taste the grape rather than the
barrel).

Precisely why I posted the link, the Old Chub is my favorite Scottish ale.

"jim beam" wrote in message
...

You're funny. At least the beer discussion was good natured and people
may have got some useful information from it - unlike the endless
political ones which populate this NG.

so why tolerate the off-topic crap that doesn't belong here?

So why pick on the vaguely interesting one rather than the other long
repetitive ones?

clive

Clive George wrote:
"jim beam" wrote in message
...

You're funny. At least the beer discussion was good natured and
people may have got some useful information from it - unlike the
endless political ones which populate this NG.

so why tolerate the off-topic crap that doesn't belong here?

So why pick on the vaguely interesting one rather than the other long
repetitive ones?

clive

because it's off topic. the only reason the other stuff gets boring is
because the same old hacks keep repeating the same old preconceptions,
mistakes, uninformed opinions, etc. maybe cleaning that up will take a
while, but for sure, off-topic beer crap doesn't help it.

"jim beam" wrote in message
news
Clive George wrote:
"jim beam" wrote in message
...

You're funny. At least the beer discussion was good natured and people
may have got some useful information from it - unlike the endless
political ones which populate this NG.

so why tolerate the off-topic crap that doesn't belong here?

So why pick on the vaguely interesting one rather than the other long
repetitive ones?

because it's off topic. the only reason the other stuff gets boring is
because the same old hacks keep repeating the same old preconceptions,
mistakes, uninformed opinions, etc.

Yebbut aren't they off topic too? Or is this rec.bicycles.politics?

clive

jim beam wrote:

who makes a big public announcement of his discovery of
killfiles, and then proceeds not to use them? timmy the
retard.

You should be aware that your name-calling tells us absolutely
nothing about your victims. It does however speak volumes
about yourself.

John