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How important is the sleeve?
Just got a Shimano XT 760 crankset that came installed on the frame.
Unfortunately, the installer dicked up the plastic sleeve that runs between through the BB shell between the two cups, crushing it toward one end and cracking it, thereby negating whatever seal it was intended to provide. Anyone know how important this sleeve is to the longevity of the bearings in the cups? I can't find anyone selling the sleeve separately, so I'm guessing it may not be all that significant. Cal |
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How important is the sleeve?
"CEarly" wrote:
Just got a Shimano XT 760 crankset that came installed on the frame. Unfortunately, the installer dicked up the plastic sleeve that runs between through the BB shell between the two cups, crushing it toward one end and cracking it, thereby negating whatever seal it was intended to provide. Anyone know how important this sleeve is to the longevity of the bearings in the cups? I can't find anyone selling the sleeve separately, so I'm guessing it may not be all that significant. Cal Your guess is correct, in my opinion. Any sealing provided by those sleeves is only effective for chunks of dirt, twigs and small birds. Such things can get into well ventilated BB shells, those on fancy bikes with a lot of metal carving in the area. The real problem with those "seals" is water which enters and then doesn't leave, which is the rationale for well-ventilated BBs. -- Ted Bennett |
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How important is the sleeve?
CEarly wrote: Just got a Shimano XT 760 crankset that came installed on the frame. Unfortunately, the installer dicked up the plastic sleeve that runs between through the BB shell between the two cups, crushing it toward one end and cracking it, thereby negating whatever seal it was intended to provide. Anyone know how important this sleeve is to the longevity of the bearings in the cups? I can't find anyone selling the sleeve separately, so I'm guessing it may not be all that significant. Cal VERY important to keeping the bearings happy. The person that installed one owes you a sleeve... |
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How important is the sleeve?
Just out of curiosity, where do you derive this information? I could
find no reference to it anywhere from Shimano. I figure, if they don't think it's important enough to mention, it must not be critical. Oh, could you elaborate on the "VERY important" nature? Thanks, Robin |
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How important is the sleeve?
Robin Hubert wrote:
Just out of curiosity, where do you derive this information? I could find no reference to it anywhere from Shimano. I figure, if they don't think it's important enough to mention, it must not be critical. Oh, could you elaborate on the "VERY important" nature? If this is the conventional type, it keeps the cups apart and prevents you from destroying the bearings with huge side loads when installing the unit. If the new "outside" type, I have no idea. |
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How important is the sleeve?
"Zog The Undeniable" wrote in message news:43666bca.0@entanet... Robin Hubert wrote: Just out of curiosity, where do you derive this information? I could find no reference to it anywhere from Shimano. I figure, if they don't think it's important enough to mention, it must not be critical. Oh, could you elaborate on the "VERY important" nature? If this is the conventional type, it keeps the cups apart and prevents you from destroying the bearings with huge side loads when installing the unit. If the new "outside" type, I have no idea. Nah, it's a piece of plastic and could never resist any significant force. This kind of "BB" consists of two separate "cups" that hold the cartridge bearings for the pipe spindle, 2-piece crank to run on. The cups seat against the outside of the BB shell. The plastic sleeve has O-rings that seal against the inner surfaces of the cups. There's no rotation involved between the cups and the sleeve, so I'm presuming it could provide a pretty effective seal against water getting into the bearings after coming in via the seat tube or elsewhere. BTW, the frame doesn't have a hole on the bottom of the BB shell, so I guess the frame manufacturer is extremely confident that water will never get in there, but that hasn't been my experience with many different frames over many years. So, I'll rev up my trusty drill and make one where it should be. Of course, this voids the warranty, blah, blah, blah. BTW, I've never heard a good argument for why a BB shell shouldn't have a hole in the bottom of it for water to get out. Anyone who's a no-hole-in-the-BB-shell believer want to try to convert me? I'd be interested in hearing why anyone thinks there shouldn't be a hole there. Cal |
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How important is the sleeve?
CEarly wrote:
"Zog The Undeniable" wrote in message news:43666bca.0@entanet... Robin Hubert wrote: Just out of curiosity, where do you derive this information? I could find no reference to it anywhere from Shimano. I figure, if they don't think it's important enough to mention, it must not be critical. Oh, could you elaborate on the "VERY important" nature? If this is the conventional type, it keeps the cups apart and prevents you from destroying the bearings with huge side loads when installing the unit. If the new "outside" type, I have no idea. Nah, it's a piece of plastic and could never resist any significant force. This kind of "BB" consists of two separate "cups" that hold the cartridge bearings for the pipe spindle, 2-piece crank to run on. The cups seat against the outside of the BB shell. The plastic sleeve has O-rings that seal against the inner surfaces of the cups. You answered your question right there. There's no rotation involved between the cups and the sleeve, so I'm presuming it could provide a pretty effective seal against water getting into the bearings after coming in via the seat tube or elsewhere. BTW, the frame doesn't have a hole on the bottom of the BB shell, so I guess the frame manufacturer is extremely confident that water will never get in there, but that hasn't been my experience with many different frames over many years. So, I'll rev up my trusty drill and make one where it should be. Of course, this voids the warranty, blah, blah, blah. BTW, I've never heard a good argument for why a BB shell shouldn't have a hole in the bottom of it for water to get out. Anyone who's a no-hole-in-the-BB-shell believer want to try to convert me? I'd be interested in hearing why anyone thinks there shouldn't be a hole there. You answered your question right there. The bottom of the BB shell has very little stress on it. Someone had a link to BB shells that were nicely sculpted out in the frame maker's name. A whole lot of material had been taken out of some of them. -- Phil, Squid-in-Training |
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How important is the sleeve?
Robin Hubert wrote: Just out of curiosity, where do you derive this information? I could find no reference to it anywhere from Shimano. I figure, if they don't think it's important enough to mention, it must not be critical. Oh, could you elaborate on the "VERY important" nature? Thanks, Robin By looking at the design. I don't often look to shimano for anything of importance. Water will go into the back of the bearing w/o the sleeve, just like it did on a cup and ball BB, w/o the little crud guard. With the sleeve, it won't, pretty simple actually. |
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message oups.com... Robin Hubert wrote: Just out of curiosity, where do you derive this information? I could find no reference to it anywhere from Shimano. I figure, if they don't think it's important enough to mention, it must not be critical. Oh, could you elaborate on the "VERY important" nature? Thanks, Robin By looking at the design. I don't often look to shimano for anything of importance. Water will go into the back of the bearing w/o the sleeve, just like it did on a cup and ball BB, w/o the little crud guard. With the sleeve, it won't, pretty simple actually. That's how it looks to me, too. Cal |
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