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When we go on our extended trips I carry powdered Gatorade. Last year when I
did the 1700kms in 17days with panniers I went through loads of this stuff just to feel better during the day. Mind you the temp was around 30 - 32 each day so we were sweating profusely. My liquid intake somedays was around 6litres (one day I failed to pee until it was almost evening which was a bit of a concern.) What I want to know is what else do people use? Gatorade seems to help me but it weighs a ton and when you have to carry up to a weeks worth of food as well the mind starts to boggle. I was given a couple of "Motor Tabs" to try but I looked on the net and they are very expensive (around $1 a pill) which over 3 weeks in the heat would work out to be dearer then petrol LOL. Will give them a go on a 75kms ride tomorrow to see if I even like the taste etc. So what suggestions? Thanks Kathy |
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Good grief! I just found an aussie site that sells them online and the
Motortabs are $3.50 each! That makes petrol way cheaper lol. |
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In aus.bicycle on Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:04:46 +1000
just us wrote: weeks worth of food as well the mind starts to boggle. I was given a couple of "Motor Tabs" to try but I looked on the net and they are very expensive (around $1 a pill) which over 3 weeks in the heat would work out to be dearer then petrol LOL. Will give them a go on a 75kms ride tomorrow to see if I even like the taste etc. So what suggestions? Thanks Well.. back in the very old days, people drank water, and maybe popped a salt tab. Plus ate vegetables and fruit. So maybe don't worry about the modern fancy stuff, just drink lots, eat well and possibly pop a salt tablet if worried? Zebee |
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"just us" wrote: When we go on our extended trips I carry powdered Gatorade. Last year when I did the 1700kms in 17days with panniers I went through loads of this stuff just to feel better during the day. Mind you the temp was around 30 - 32 each day so we were sweating profusely. My liquid intake somedays was around 6litres (one day I failed to pee until it was almost evening which was a bit of a concern.) When drinking this quantiy of water, hyponatremia is a very real concern http://geo-outdoors.info/hyponatremia.htm Seems drinking Gatorade would be one of the better options, to mirror the bod's electrolytes lost through perspiration and kidney functions. Take care -- Cheers Peter ~~~ ~ _@ ~~ ~ _- \, ~~ (*)/ (*) |
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"Zebee Johnstone" wrote in message ... In aus.bicycle on Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:04:46 +1000 Well.. back in the very old days, people drank water, and maybe popped a salt tab. Plus ate vegetables and fruit. So maybe don't worry about the modern fancy stuff, just drink lots, eat well and possibly pop a salt tablet if worried? Zebee yeah I know Zebee and I used to try to think like that but I have seen what a difference proper rehydration can make. I am talking about remote riding where you cant carry fresh fruit and veg. I dry all our food for these trips, which includes heaps of fruit and veg (also extended bush walks) and we do very well . Interesting to see after 25 days bushwalking with dried food (carrying up to 20kgs each and walking 8hr days with no fresh food along the way) the weight loss was not that extreme, 21 days riding with panniers with dried food and we are still able to go each day so the dried food/fruit/vegs must be ok but - I have seen people just collapse in a heap and after proper rehydration and electrolytes they can at least get up and make it to camp. Maybe it is the heat factor of Far North Qld but eat and drinking water just doesnt replace the salts lost. Maybe I have been brainwashed to believe that I need electrolytes but I do know that I feel 100% better if I take it. Over Easter we did a particularly hard ride out bush and the only person who wasnt using an Electrolyte Replacement actually went down in a heap and we left her by the road to camp on her own overnight - she was stuffed. Next time we will encourage her to actually rehydrate properly, she ate very well, drank litres of water, but it was hot hot hot and she just crumbled into a crying heap. Anyway, I feel I need some sort of Electrolyte replacement Tomorrow I am going to do a Tableland circuit and I know for sure after climbing the Herberton Range and the hills that follow my bit of Gatorade sure makes me feel a lot better than when I used to do it and struggle without it Thanks Kathy |
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just us wrote:
When we go on our extended trips I carry powdered Gatorade. Last year when I did the 1700kms in 17days with panniers I went through loads of this stuff just to feel better during the day. Mind you the temp was around 30 - 32 each day so we were sweating profusely. My liquid intake somedays was around 6litres (one day I failed to pee until it was almost evening which was a bit of a concern.) What I want to know is what else do people use? Gatorade seems to help me but it weighs a ton and when you have to carry up to a weeks worth of food as well the mind starts to boggle. The powdered Gatorade (or similar) is the cheapest by far for the effort you have to put in. I did my sums, and it roughly replaces everything you need for the ride (carbs, salts, water etc). You might be able to DIY cheaper, but most certainly NOT worth the effort. I tried that route, and was too much trouble for my inherit laziness. I was given a couple of "Motor Tabs" to try but I looked on the net and they are very expensive (around $1 a pill) which over 3 weeks in the heat would work out to be dearer then petrol LOL. Will give them a go on a 75kms ride tomorrow to see if I even like the taste etc. Dunno how they perform, but at that price, who cares? I'll never find out. -- Linux Registered User # 302622 http://counter.li.org |
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On Apr 5, 8:37 pm, John Tserkezis
wrote: just us wrote: When we go on our extended trips I carry powdered Gatorade. Last year when I did the 1700kms in 17days with panniers I went through loads of this stuff just to feel better during the day. Mind you the temp was around 30 - 32 each day so we were sweating profusely. My liquid intake somedays was around 6litres (one day I failed to pee until it was almost evening which was a bit of a concern.) What I want to know is what else do people use? Gatorade seems to help me but it weighs a ton and when you have to carry up to a weeks worth of food as well the mind starts to boggle. The powdered Gatorade (or similar) is the cheapest by far for the effort you have to put in. I did my sums, and it roughly replaces everything you need for the ride (carbs, salts, water etc). You might be able to DIY cheaper, but most certainly NOT worth the effort. I tried that route, and was too much trouble for my inherit laziness. I was given a couple of "Motor Tabs" to try but I looked on the net and they are very expensive (around $1 a pill) which over 3 weeks in the heat would work out to be dearer then petrol LOL. Will give them a go on a 75kms ride tomorrow to see if I even like the taste etc. Dunno how they perform, but at that price, who cares? I'll never find out. -- Linux Registered User # 302622 http://counter.li.org If you are lucky and have an Aldi store nearby, they sell an equivalent for about half the price. I have looked on both labels and reckon they are the same Owen |
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"just us" wrote in message ... "Zebee Johnstone" wrote in message ... In aus.bicycle on Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:04:46 +1000 Well.. back in the very old days, people drank water, and maybe popped a salt tab. Plus ate vegetables and fruit. So maybe don't worry about the modern fancy stuff, just drink lots, eat well and possibly pop a salt tablet if worried? Zebee yeah I know Zebee and I used to try to think like that but I have seen what a difference proper rehydration can make. I am talking about remote riding where you cant carry fresh fruit and veg. I dry all our food for these trips, which includes heaps of fruit and veg (also extended bush walks) and we do very well . Interesting to see after 25 days bushwalking with dried food (carrying up to 20kgs each and walking 8hr days with no fresh food along the way) the weight loss was not that extreme, 21 days riding with panniers with dried food and we are still able to go each day so the dried food/fruit/vegs must be ok but - I have seen people just collapse in a heap and after proper rehydration and electrolytes they can at least get up and make it to camp. Maybe it is the heat factor of Far North Qld but eat and drinking water just doesnt replace the salts lost. Maybe I have been brainwashed to believe that I need electrolytes but I do know that I feel 100% better if I take it. Over Easter we did a particularly hard ride out bush and the only person who wasnt using an Electrolyte Replacement actually went down in a heap and we left her by the road to camp on her own overnight - she was stuffed. Next time we will encourage her to actually rehydrate properly, she ate very well, drank litres of water, but it was hot hot hot and she just crumbled into a crying heap. Anyway, I feel I need some sort of Electrolyte replacement Tomorrow I am going to do a Tableland circuit and I know for sure after climbing the Herberton Range and the hills that follow my bit of Gatorade sure makes me feel a lot better than when I used to do it and struggle without it Thanks Kathy If you ride less than an hour, water is best. Beyond that, some food and some electrolytes, and some water will keep you in the moment. Gatorade powder was mentioned as the best value for electrolyte, and I agree. Commuting needs nothing but a drink of water. Rules of thumb: After the first hour you need about a litre of water an hour on a cool day, or double on a hot day. You use up about 600 to 800 Kcal PER HOUR (more if heavyweight), so budget for that, too. Don't consider replacing the Kcals during the ride, just during the day or so. NB couch potatoes rate (basal rate) is 1200Kcal to 1600Kcal (depending on weight), cycling is additional. 1 tablespoon of sugar is about 100 Kcal (a can of soft drink is twice this). Check the label. An orange is about 80 Kcal. A banana is a bit more. A sandwich is 150 to 250Kcal depending on what's in it (a BigMac is 500 Kcal). Chocolate bars are whatever is on the label. Etc. If you are choosing weight loss, don't target more than 500Kcal less than your daily Kcal usage, or you get into a stressed mode which works against weight loss. To lose weight, if your Kcal deficit is about 7500 Kcal (in a fortnight or a month), you lose 1Kg. A safe level of loss is 1Kg in 2 weeks or slower (Biggest Loser is bull****e). [Science: 1Kg of fat is about 9000 Kcal, but body weight is both fat and supportive tissue, so 7500 Kcal loses 1Kg body mass. Also, cycling or running raises the basal rate a bit]. Summary: Drinking water and some Gatorade (etc) on long ride is ideal. Eat according to feeling hungry. If you ever starve yourself, better to pig out soon after the event. I've cycletoured on water plus pasta meals, and so have millions of other humans. Adjustments to Zebeedom stated wizdom:: Gatorade is better than salt tabs. In the third world, the ideal replenisher (and diarrhoea supplement) is 1 litre of water with one table spoon of suger and one teaspoon of salt. This treats high demand situations (like disease and long term exertion) optimally. T. |
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Owen wrote:
On Apr 5, 8:37 pm, John Tserkezis wrote: just us wrote: When we go on our extended trips I carry powdered Gatorade. Last year when I did the 1700kms in 17days with panniers I went through loads of this stuff just to feel better during the day. Mind you the temp was around 30 - 32 each day so we were sweating profusely. My liquid intake somedays was around 6litres (one day I failed to pee until it was almost evening which was a bit of a concern.) What I want to know is what else do people use? Gatorade seems to help me but it weighs a ton and when you have to carry up to a weeks worth of food as well the mind starts to boggle. The powdered Gatorade (or similar) is the cheapest by far for the effort you have to put in. I did my sums, and it roughly replaces everything you need for the ride (carbs, salts, water etc). You might be able to DIY cheaper, but most certainly NOT worth the effort. I tried that route, and was too much trouble for my inherit laziness. I was given a couple of "Motor Tabs" to try but I looked on the net and they are very expensive (around $1 a pill) which over 3 weeks in the heat would work out to be dearer then petrol LOL. Will give them a go on a 75kms ride tomorrow to see if I even like the taste etc. Dunno how they perform, but at that price, who cares? I'll never find out. -- Linux Registered User # 302622 http://counter.li.org If you are lucky and have an Aldi store nearby, they sell an equivalent for about half the price. I have looked on both labels and reckon they are the same Owen A replacement for the "Motor Tabs" at half the price or a replacement for powdered Gatorade at half the price Owen? G-S |
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Kathy asks -
What I want to know is what else do people use? Gatorade ... On a Adelaide to Melb ride a while back the popular recovery drink in the evening oddly enough was litre bottles of supermarket bought tonic water (keep the lemon, lose the gin...) Sounds odd but try it one evening when your legs are fried and tomorrow's another long day - goes really well with a mix of salted nuts and dried fruit For those that take the road less travelled - best, Andrew |
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