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Tour 10/2005 23 mm clincher test
Thanks for those numbers...
This is a huge range of Crr... and it has a big effect on speed. Crr= Prr/(W*V) = Prr/ (85kg*9.81m*35km/hr*.2778) = Prr*.0001233 Tire Prr Crr Speed* Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX 27.1 W .00334 23.22 Michelin Pro2 Race 29.2 W .00360 23.14 Michelin Carbon 34.7 W .00428 22.94 Panaracer Stradius Pro 35.4 W .00436 22.91 Hutchinson Fusion 39.6 W .00488 22.76 Continental Ultra GatorSkin 40.3 W .00497 22.73 Continental Grand Prix 3000 46.6 W .00575 22.50 * 185lb rider + bike 250W rider output CdA = .32m^2 (racing crouch, normal road bike) Transmission efficiency = 96% So... they tested these in a lab, on a big drum? Continental must be very unhappy about this... |
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Tour 10/2005 23 mm clincher test
The numbers I got on rollers for the Cx, & pro race 2 pretty much match these. No surprise on the GP3000 either. The ultra-thin "race only" Conti Supersonic was one of the slowest tires I tested. BTW, the Veloflex master (clincher) was slow too. -jens |
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Tour 10/2005 23 mm clincher test
Ron Ruff wrote:
So... they tested these in a lab, on a big drum? Continental must be very unhappy about this... Yes, the tyres were tested on what looks like a steel drum. The wheel and inner tube were the same for all tyres and the pressure always 7.0 bar. The equipment was actually Continental's so the result probably didn't come as a surprise to them. Of course their tyres also had strong points like excellent puncture resistance and a combination of low weight and good mileage. They just aren't very fast. I don't know if it's an exaggeration to say that they are not suitable for competition. The rolling friction coefficients in your post were a bit off, but here are all coefficients from the mag, lowest first. All tyres were foldable 23-mm clinchers. Deda Tre Giro d'Italia 0.0038 Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX 0.0039 Michelin Pro 2 Race 0.0042 Vittoria Diamante Pro Rain 0.0044 Michelin Megamium 2 0.0047 Pariba Revolution 0.0048 Michelin Carbon 0.0050 Panaracer Stradius Pro 0.0051 Schwalbe Stelvio Plus 0.0052 Schwalbe Stelvio Evolution Front 0.0056 Continental GP Force (rear specific) 0.0057 Hutchinson Fusion 0.0057 Schwalbe Stelvio Evolution Rear 0.0057 Continental Ultra GatorSkin 0.0058 Ritchey Pro Race Slick WCS 0.0058 Schwalbe Stelvio 0.0059 Specialized S-Works Mondo 0.0061 Continental GP 3000 0.0067 Hutchinson Top Speed 0.0069 Continental GP Attack (front specific) 0.0073 The test also included a calculation that on a flat 40 km time trial, a rider with a 300 W power output would finish 2 minutes and 18 seconds faster with the Deda Tre tyres than with Hutchinson Top Speed. -as |
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Tour 10/2005 23 mm clincher test
Antti Salonen wrote:
The rolling friction coefficients in your post were a bit off Ah! The problem is that I put 35 rather than 30 in the equation. This is how it should have read: Crr= Prr/(W*V) = Prr/ (85kg*9.81m*30km/hr*.2778) = Prr*.0001233 But, with the Crr values there is no need to convert. Here is the speed and differentials for all of the tires: Tire Crr Speed* Delta Deda Tre Giro d'Italia 0.0038 23.08 Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX 0.0039 23.05 0.03 Michelin Pro 2 Race 0.0042 22.96 0.12 Vittoria Diamante Pro Rain 0.0044 22.90 0.18 Michelin Megamium 2 0.0047 22.81 0.27 Pariba Revolution 0.0048 22.78 0.30 Michelin Carbon 0.0050 22.72 0.36 Panaracer Stradius Pro 0.0051 22.69 0.39 Schwalbe Stelvio Plus 0.0052 22.66 0.42 Schwalbe Stelvio Evolution Front 0.0056 22.54 0.54 Continental GP Force (rear) 0.0057 22.51 0.57 Hutchinson Fusion 0.0057 22.51 0.57 Schwalbe Stelvio Evolution Rear 0.0057 22.51 0.57 Continental Ultra GatorSkin 0.0058 22.48 0.60 Ritchey Pro Race Slick WCS 0.0058 22.48 0.60 Schwalbe Stelvio 0.0059 22.45 0.63 Specialized S-Works Mondo 0.0061 22.39 0.69 Continental GP 3000 0.0067 22.21 0.87 Hutchinson Top Speed 0.0069 22.15 0.93 Continental GP Attack (front) 0.0073 22.04 1.04 * in MPH 185lb rider + bike 250W rider output CdA = .32m^2 (racing crouch, normal road bike) Transmission efficiency = 96% |
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Tour 10/2005 23 mm clincher test
On 1 Nov 2005 18:29:47 GMT, Antti Salonen
wrote: Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX 27.1 W Michelin Pro2 Race 29.2 W Michelin Carbon 34.7 W Panaracer Stradius Pro 35.4 W Hutchinson Fusion 39.6 W Continental Ultra GatorSkin 40.3 W Continental Grand Prix 3000 46.6 W Any Schwalbe tires in the test? JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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