hybrid cars and bikes

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 03:03:12 GMT, "Rob F. in Houston"
wrote:
Come on David any of us can look at toyota.com and see its Prius (okay what
does priapus stand for ?)

From http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=priapus :
ersonification of the erect phallus.
:A representation of a phallus.
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:51:38 -0500, David Kerber
wrote:

Then you by chance hit on almost every hot-button issue for
cyclists except for helmets!

How can you possibly say such a thing? According to BHSI there are
only about a dozen people in the world who are opposed to the
compulsory use of helmets by all bicyclists.

Guy
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David Kerber wrote:
In article ,
says...

"Rob F. in Houston" wrote:

Come on David any of us can look at toyota.com and see its Prius
(okay what does priapus stand for ?)

Priapus is a Greek/Roman fertility god. Possibly Mr. Reuteler was
thinking of priapism, which is a male disorder that requires urgent
attention by an urologist?
Well, priapism gets its name from Priapus, so the reference would be
essentially the same either way.
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Maybe you meant "prepuce"?

Seriously, engine noise from cars can be a valuable traffic indicator -
like when one's going to pass and then turn right in front of you they
make a distinct sudden frequency and volume reduction that means you're
in trouble. That might be missing from a hybrid on stealth mode. My
experience though is that folks who buy hybrids *in general* are more
considerate and safer drivers to share the road with than folks who buy
gas guzzlers.



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"Tom Sherman" wrote ...


Priapus is a Greek/Roman fertility god. Possibly Mr. Reuteler was
thinking of priapism, which is a male disorder that requires urgent
attention by an urologist?

Tom Sherman - 41 N, 90 W
When I was 19, I had a priapism. Now thirty years later, I could use an
urologist to get it back. Sorry, but you asked for it you got it, Toyota.
Len

David Reuteler wrote in message ...
Rick Onanian wrote:
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: Troll topics: Hybrid cars, lane sharing/bicyclist rights,
: environmentalism, oil dependency.

besides i'm pretty sure it's spelled priapus not prius.

Nope, Toyota Prius, been sold since 1997 in Japan.

"prius" is the neuter form of the Latin word "prior". The closest
translation would be "forerunner" but that term was already used...

In article ,
"Rob F. in Houston" wrote:

Thanks David we don't have many hybrids here, wanted to get a heads up, what
is the cloaking device (it takes a lot of energy ?) is that the same as
stealth mode
cause that takes 0 energy in their minds - yea other cyclists are quiet,
good point !

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"David Reuteler" wrote in message
...
: Rob F. in Houston wrote:
: : There is a big difference between hybrid and regular cars, they
(hybrids)
: : can use EV mode (no engine or exhaust noise at all) up to 40+ MPH
(Toyota
: : Prius) and all hybrids (so far) do not idle at a stop (the gas engine
: : doesn't run) - today I was stopped at a light & could tell by sound when
a
: : car pulled up behind me by the sound (a hybrid could have snuck up on
me) we
: : bicyclists can't rely on hearing so much ant more.
:
: the prius is common enuf in minneapolis and i rode around 'em a fair bit.
: i have yet to see one in idaho. it's no big deal 'cause unless the
cloaking
: device is on (having it on consumes a lot of energy so it's usually off)
you
: can still see 'em and their tyres make a fair bit of noise. when they
don't
: have their cloaking device engaged (likely to get into position to fire at
: you) that's when you have to worry.
:
: do you get hit by other cyclists often? they're pretty quiet. i mean, of
: course you have to look.
: --
: david reuteler
:

Mr. Reuteler is not authorized to discuss the cloaking device, which
does not exist. Please forget that you read about it.

"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:51:38 -0500, David Kerber
wrote:

Then you by chance hit on almost every hot-button issue for
cyclists except for helmets!

How can you possibly say such a thing? According to BHSI there are
only about a dozen people in the world who are opposed to the
compulsory use of helmets by all bicyclists.

And all twelve of them will post the same argument on rec.bicycles.misc
about how h*lm*ts should be required for motor vehicle passengers
instead of cyclists.

Tom Sherman - 41 N, 90 W

My two VW TDIs get right at 50 mpg (NB) and well over 50 mpg from the
Jetta

Those are Diesel, are they not? If so, their emissions are
significantly higher than the Prius and Insight.


due to its better shape. Toy OT and HONDUH lie about their performance.

Actually, not. The US EPA mileage and emissions testing results
support those claims, and real-world people have said that they can
often beat the EPA mileages with those cars. They are very unusual in
that they actually get better mileage in town than on the highway.

I've some experience with the Prius and I don't think it lives up to its
claims. I can get better gas mileage from my Corolla than the Prius. In my
opinion, Hybrids are a joke. They promise only slightly better mileage than
same sized gasoline powered cars yet don't even deliver what they claim.
Also, they are more complex and expensive to maintain. Wait, because far
superior technologies are just around the corner. Diesels are not a bad
temporary solution and they emit almost no greenhouse gases. Their only
problem is that they emit carcinogenic soot into the air.

Diesels are not a bad temporary solution and they emit almost
no greenhouse gases.

I guess that depends on your definition of "almost no".

Checking a diesel Jetta vs. a gas version I find the annual greenhouse gas
emissions are 5.1 tons vs. 7.2 tons.

REF: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm


Their only problem is that they emit carcinogenic soot into the air.

More than a minor issue, IMHO.


Chris Neary

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:07:29 -0600, Tom Sherman
wrote:

How can you possibly say such a thing? According to BHSI there are
only about a dozen people in the world who are opposed to the
compulsory use of helmets by all bicyclists.

And all twelve of them will post the same argument on rec.bicycles.misc
about how h*lm*ts should be required for motor vehicle passengers
instead of cyclists.

How true those words are, even today.

Apropos of nothing much I asked them why they are still quoting
Thompson, Rivara and Thompson's original 85% figure when they
published a revision in 1996 putting them in line with the rest of the
liddites at about 2/3. The response was:

"We are aware of the second study, but by the time it appeared the 85%
figure was so deeply ingrained in the injury prevention community that
a change will not be helpful. I regard any similar numbers published
in those or other studies as approximations anyway. Over the years
observation of who gets head-injured and who does not seems to support
the 85% number. So we have left it up that way. We do have references
to the later study for those who need more."

I read this as "we're going to keep using the wrong figure because
otherwise it'll show up everybody else who is also still using the
wrong figure."

Guy
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