Help (or suggested resources) for identifying frame?

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On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!- Hide quoted text -

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Apparently it's a Team SC Easton SC7000. *What looks like a SN but
seems too short to be one is FM-51.
Scandium Taperwall w/ some carbon - my buddy thinks downtube & chain
stay. *Appears to have a euro bb of some sort (he's guessing here
based on size). *Neat. *Now to hunt down the particulars.- Hide quoted text -

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The Merckx carbon chainstays were carbon wrapped over the aluminum.
That I remember. *Downtube is aluminum only. *No help on dimensions
other than Merckx followed the Italian sizing method of too short of
top tubes and too long of stems. *Way back when it was the Merckx top
of the line frame for the sponsored race teams. *So it was high end.
This was of course before carbon frames became all the rage.- Hide quoted text -

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I've got the frame now, and you appear to be dead-on. *All but the
rear chain stays are scandium aluminum alloy. *The rear stays are
visibly carbon, but if you say that carbon is wrapping alloy I believe
you. *The geometry of the frame does look a touch weird. *The previous
owner was my height, hopefully it’s close enough. *More pics herehttp://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/Merckx#. *I sure would love to
find out an exact year, but that’s the case for at least ½ of my bikes
– part of getting used stuff I guess. *Certainly can’t complain on a
freebie.- Hide quoted text -

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http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/20...1_4229crx.aspx

http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/ed...x.aspx#reviews

Apparently as late as 2002 the Lotto Domo color scheme was still in
use on the Merckx Team SC frame. Like yours.

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On Oct 8, 12:26*pm, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:28*pm, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

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On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Apparently it's a Team SC Easton SC7000. *What looks like a SN but
seems too short to be one is FM-51.
Scandium Taperwall w/ some carbon - my buddy thinks downtube & chain
stay. *Appears to have a euro bb of some sort (he's guessing here
based on size). *Neat. *Now to hunt down the particulars.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Merckx carbon chainstays were carbon wrapped over the aluminum.
That I remember. *Downtube is aluminum only. *No help on dimensions
other than Merckx followed the Italian sizing method of too short of
top tubes and too long of stems. *Way back when it was the Merckx top
of the line frame for the sponsored race teams. *So it was high end..
This was of course before carbon frames became all the rage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've got the frame now, and you appear to be dead-on. *All but the
rear chain stays are scandium aluminum alloy. *The rear stays are
visibly carbon, but if you say that carbon is wrapping alloy I believe
you. *The geometry of the frame does look a touch weird. *The previous
owner was my height, hopefully it’s close enough. *More pics herehttp://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/Merckx#. *I sure would love to
find out an exact year, but that’s the case for at least ½ of my bikes
– part of getting used stuff I guess. *Certainly can’t complain on a
freebie.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/20...bike/eddy-merc...

http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/ed...D_300034_2493c...

Apparently as late as 2002 the Lotto Domo color scheme was still in
use on the Merckx Team SC frame. *Like yours.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sweet. Thanks! Now I've just got to figure out this "integrated head
tube" thing, and figure out where to come up with $ for yet another
build.

On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:





On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......

;-lo- Hide quoted text -

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Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114

Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text -

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The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the
diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. That bike probably has a 1
1/8" steerer. Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie.

On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote:





On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......

;-lo- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114

Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the
diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1
1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. I was
questioning the "outboard" part.

On Oct 9, 5:31*am, " wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:





On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......

;-lo- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114

Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the
diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1
1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. *I was
questioning the "outboard" part.- Hide quoted text -

So would I. That bike probably takes an integrated headset --
although there is such a mishmash of integrated, internal, semi-
integrated, etc. out there that I hazard to make a guess what is
spec'd for that frame. Russell or the shop owners probably know. --
Jay Beattie.

On Oct 9, 9:25*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Oct 9, 5:31*am, " wrote:



On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......

;-lo- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114

Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the
diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1
1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. *I was
questioning the "outboard" part.- Hide quoted text -

So would I. *That bike probably takes an integrated headset --
although there is such a mishmash of integrated, internal, semi-
integrated, etc. out there that I hazard to make a guess what is
spec'd for that frame. Russell or the shop owners probably know. --
Jay Beattie.

Russell? Haven't seen him posting around here in a while. Maybe I'll
just try to get it by my LBS. Thanks for the reply.

On Oct 9, 6:25*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Oct 9, 5:31*am, " wrote:



On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......

;-lo- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114

Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the
diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1
1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. *I was
questioning the "outboard" part.- Hide quoted text -

So would I. *That bike probably takes an integrated headset --
although there is such a mishmash of integrated, internal, semi-
integrated, etc. out there that I hazard to make a guess what is
spec'd for that frame. Russell or the shop owners probably know. --
Jay Beattie.

1.65"x25.4=41.91mm. There's the Campy 42mm "Hiddenset" standard, and
the 41mm Cane Creek "Integrated" standard.

Put a gun to my head, and I'd say it's the Campy.

On Oct 10, 4:24*am, Hank wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:25*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:





On Oct 9, 5:31*am, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:50*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:46*pm, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 2:18*pm, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:28*am, " wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:23*pm, "

wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:16*am, " wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could steer me toward identifying this
frame: *http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...13298227819986
orhttp://tinyurl.com/4twnqj. *I know the pic isn’t much to go on, I
should have more info this afternoon. *It’s believed to be from the
early to mid 90’s, with a carbon rear triangle or complete carbon
frame, not sure which. *I’ve been looking around and coming up empty.
Any help would be appreciated. *My buddy is going by it again today
and is going to get me any additional info on the frame, names,
badges, etc. *Should I have him get a serial no?

Thanks,

Dan

That looks like the team frame Lotto(I think Lotto) used back in the
1990s. *When Axel Merckx rode for them. *As you say carbon rear
triangle. *Aluminum front. *Or maybe it was just the chainstays, not
the seatstays. *Merckx did the carbon rear different than everyone
else. *Chainstays instead of seatstays. *Colorado Cyclist used to sell
this frame way back when. *When they carried Merckx frames.

Cool, thanks! *Any idea where/how I'd find specs, specifically head
tube size & BB size/thread? *I just "inherited" that frame as a gift
from a friend. *The fork is broken but the frame is supposed to be in
great condition. *From what I hear it was a very high-end frame/fork
set when purchased, I wonder how it compares to my fairly new Lemond
Alpe D'Huez? *Only way I can think of to find out is to build it and
ride it!

Use any 1 1/8inch headset, standard type with outboard cups and this
along with all the other Merckx's, from then to today, use the far
superior Italian BB threading......

;-lo- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you sure about the head set? *Check this picture out:http://picasaweb.google.com/DanKMTB/...71666847538114

Again, appreciate any and all help.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The term "1 1/8 headset" refers to the steerer diameter and not the
diameter of the head tube or bearing seat. *That bike probably has a 1
1/8" steerer. *Give that a measure and see what it is. -- Jay Beattie.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't doubt the 1-1/8th part, it most certainly is 1-1/8th. *I was
questioning the "outboard" part.- Hide quoted text -

So would I. *That bike probably takes an integrated headset --
although there is such a mishmash of integrated, internal, semi-
integrated, etc. out there that I hazard to make a guess what is
spec'd for that frame. Russell or the shop owners probably know. --
Jay Beattie.

1.65"x25.4=41.91mm. There's the Campy 42mm "Hiddenset" standard, and
the 41mm Cane Creek "Integrated" standard.

Put a gun to my head, and I'd say it's the Campy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you may be correct. I searched model + your info and came up
with this http://www.bikyle.com/MerckxSale.asp
Granted those are newer, but I'd be surprised if the standard changed
to something else so similar.

So far I know (or at least strongly suspect) the following:
1) "Italian" threaded BB.
2) Campy "hidden" HS. The site I found says it can use Record or
Chorus. I wonder if there is any reason you couldn't use another
model, assuming it was Campy "hidden"? I suppose it doesn't make any
sense to build a bike like this on entry level components, but at the
same time it'll take eons to get built if I buy Record everything. I
also suppose it depends what comes up for deals. Cane Creek makes
headsets compatible w/ the campy hidden thing, plenty of people make
campy compatable BBs, etc.

Again, thanks for the help. Looks like I'm starting to get pointed in
the right direction here.