Campagnolo & Shimano

£ for £ which is better

looking at groupsets here nt forks or wheels or forke or nething els
(if CAMPAGNOLO & SHIMANO even do all the above), but with regards to th
groupsets which is better £ for

it appears as the groupsets to compare are

CAMPAGNOLO SHIMANO xenon sora mirage tiagra veloce 10

please no posts about it depends on the wheels you get yadda yadda, i
just looking for a straight answer :

oh and if your not sure about comparing the groupsets just generall
campagnolo or shiman

cheers guys and gal


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£ for £ which is better?

looking at groupsets here nt forks or wheels or forke or nething else
(if CAMPAGNOLO & SHIMANO even do all the above), but with regards to the
groupsets which is better £ for £

it appears as the groupsets to compare a

CAMPAGNOLO SHIMANO xenon sora mirage tiagra veloce 105


please no posts about it depends on the wheels you get yadda yadda, im
just looking for a straight answer

oh and if your not sure about comparing the groupsets just generally
campagnolo or shimano

cheers guys and gals



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Oh dear, here we go!

I vote for Campag, no ugly STI cables coming from the hoods, and it's
easy to buy individual components when things need fixing.

I use 2003 10 speed Record on my race bike, and 2002 9 speed Veloce on
my winter trainer.

Do a Google on rec.bicyles.tech, this age old issue has been discussed
many a time.

I can guarantee you won't get a 'straight' answer though!


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Mark (MSA)
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dailuggs wrote:

£ for £ which is better?

That's a bit like "which is better, Chinese or Indian food?". The
technical differences are few, but some people prefer Campag Ergopower
shifters because all the cables go under the handlebar tape. There's an
old adage that Campag wears in while Shimano wears out, but I'm not sure
how true this is. I have ancient (10 years+) Shimano mechs that still
have no slop in them.

Personally I like Shimano because the quality of engineering is very
good for the price, but some people feel it lacks class somehow.

dailuggs wrote:
please no posts about it depends on the wheels you get yadda yadda, im
just looking for a straight answer

Seriously, there aren't any straight answers to this one. Too many
overlapping and complex differences to make direct VFM comparisons. Both
manufacturers produce some excellent stuff and fans will argue (and I mean
argue!) that their favourite is "smoother" or "more positive" or "more
durable". A lot of it this is actually BS.

If you want combined brake & gear levers, I suggest choosing the make of
the whole set by what make of levers you prefer. The rest of the kit will
get on with its job but there are major differences in function and
ergonomics between the two makes of this most important part. Have a go
on both brands of levers if you're not sure, but bear in mind that Shimano
STIs are generally not repairable as well as being more expensive than
Campag Ergos (oh, and can't change up more than one gear at once). On the
other hand, Ergos do need the springs changing every now and then which is
a pain.

I know a bit more about Campag so I'm happy to help with more detail later
if you want to go that route. If not buying a complete bike, you don't
have to buy a whole groupset. Better value can be had by mixing parts
from more than one group if you can afford more than all-Xenon or Mirage.

~PB

"Zog The Undeniable" wrote in message
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There's an
old adage that Campag wears in while Shimano wears out, but I'm not sure
how true this is. I have ancient (10 years+) Shimano mechs that still
have no slop in them.

Yeah, I've got a 4 year old XT rear mech on my mtb that's taken far more
abuse than any road mech ever would and a 12 years old set of XT rapidfire
shifters on the bike I rode this afternoon.
The Campag Athena indexed DT shifters on my last road bike gave up after 7
years.

(now waiting for a peeing contest to develop of anecdotes about bike kit
longevity ;-)
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Regards,
Pete

dailuggs wrote:
£ for £ which is better?

Who knows which is better ? I have only Shimano groupset parts (I have had
Campag pedals and I have a campag seat pin) and have been very very pleased
with them. Some items have lasted over 10 years and would have gone on for
longer had I not got tired of the superficial scratches.

I like Shimano for the across range and across the ages compatibility, for
example my 1988 '105' six speed levers work perfectly with my 1988 six speed
cassette and 2003 nine speed XT rear mech.

Choosing a new bike I'd choose Shimano so I can swap parts around and I
already have the toolset to do so.

I have Campag Record and am very pleased with it. Before that I had Shimano
DuraAce which was good but not as good, in my opinion.

Why I prefer Campag:

1. Changing gear is so quick and smooth that I find I change gear more often
and maintain a more consistent cadence
2. It is possible to change gear under load eg. in the saddle up a steep
hill. I couldn't do that using DuraAce
3. As a prestige brand name you can't beat Campagnolo! I couldn't afford it
when I was younger so it's nice to have it now (I know this isn't much of a
reason)

Hope that helps.

dailuggs" wrote in message
...
£ for £ which is better?

looking at groupsets here nt forks or wheels or forke or nething else
(if CAMPAGNOLO & SHIMANO even do all the above), but with regards to the
groupsets which is better £ for £

it appears as the groupsets to compare a

CAMPAGNOLO SHIMANO xenon sora mirage tiagra veloce 105


please no posts about it depends on the wheels you get yadda yadda, im
just looking for a straight answer

oh and if your not sure about comparing the groupsets just generally
campagnolo or shimano

cheers guys and gals



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looking at groupsets here nt forks or wheels or forke or nething else
(if CAMPAGNOLO & SHIMANO even do all the above), but with regards to the
groupsets which is better £ for £

Here's my tuppence worth:

Well, my "nice" road bike is Campag Record/Chorus mix (8 spd, from '96,
spares getting hard,
will upgrade soon to 9/10 spd Rec/Ch & carbon forks, else a nice new ti bike
if lotto come up!),
my winter hack is now 9 spd Veloce (was old 7 spd 105), and is really nice
for hack.

My MTB is Shimano (XT I think), just down from there top range stuff.

I think this is the bast way, C for road, not horrid cables everywhere, but
S for off road,
as C are newish to offroad (I think).

Niv.

On 14/2/04 9:41 am, in article
, "Niv"
wrote:

I think this is the bast way, C for road, not horrid cables everywhere, but
S for off road,
as C are newish to offroad (I think).

Campag did an off road groupset in the late eighties/early nineties. Can't
remember what it was called but it never caught on.

My ancient shimano uniglide 7spd (sante/ultegra) shifts quite well under
load.

When I get the new bike I'll be looking at a good road triple setup, so will
be hopefully in the price range for shimano 105 (which is better than
ultegra was 10 years ago) and the equivalent Campag.

I kind of like the idea of a custom fillet brazed steel frame and campag
bits. Black paint with reflective paint box lining would be pretty cool.

...d

I kind of like the idea of a custom fillet brazed steel frame and campag
bits. Black paint with reflective paint box lining would be pretty cool.


That's basically what I got back in '96, from Chas Roberts. It's a
beautifully done job,
lovely smooth fillet brazing on Coumbus EL oversize tubing (although the
oversize is marginal
& not really noticed), and fits really well. I think the frame may be
superceded by new technology now, but I
wont go to an Al. frame because of the reported road buzz & overly stiff
vertical compliance
(or lack of compliance).

Anyway, go for it, you'll love having a custom frame/bike.

I can recommend Chas Roberts if you're anyway near the south (he's in
Croydon),
but a friend had a nice frame from O'Rourkes, (midlands somewhere).

I'm thinking of an Omega ti frame, but off the bike for 3 weeks now & will
be for another month
or so before I can do do any real mileage; a seriously f****d shoulder after
a skiing accident, damn.

Niv.