Cyclist Racing on the Road Killed - Good result for motorist

In article ,
"Mrcheerful" wrote:

Niether has his grammar, unless Janet managed to buy various bits of
shopping belonging to a Biro.
I suppose it is faintly possible that Mr Stamp has a partner or
assistant who goes by that name.

Is 'Niether' a legal term ? or a Dutch word?

Biro is a Hungarian surname meaning Judge, I am surprised that with your
legal training you did not know that.

Oh, look ... he found a typo. Isn't he keeeewwwwl .....

On 24/06/2013 22:19, Phil W Lee wrote:

Alex Heney had written:
and Dave-Cyclists VORT had written:

See Janet going to the Post Office with a large amount of cash.
Mr Stamp at the Post Office knows exactly what Janet means when she asks
for Road Tax.

He probably would

Of course he would. So what's the problem?

Janet pays lots of money to Mr Stamp for her Road Tax Disc.
Whilst at the Post Office Janet buys, some Biro's, Sellotape, Post Its,
Vaseline, Aspirin & Pot Noodles.
Mr Stamp knows exactly what they are as well.
See Janet drive her car on the road without having to worry about PC
Plod and his ANPR cameras.

It seems that although your reading has just about reached the "Janet
and John" stage, your comprehension hasn't.

Niether has his grammar...

What about his spelling?

On 24/06/2013 21:27, Judith wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:35:46 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 22/06/2013 13:13, Judith wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:57:52 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

snip

I won't walk the verge of this road with my back to the traffic it is
too dangerous. People are forever hitting street furniture on the A19!

So hardly the place to hold a cycle race - someone could easily be killed.

Mainly because the standard of driving on it is so **** poor.

So there is a well known low standard of driving on that particular road,and
some ****wits organise a cycle race on it.

The standard of driving nationally is **** poor. Drivers are clearly not
paying attention to the road ahead and some of them like *YOU* are
*celebrating* when one of their number gets away with killing a cyclist
because he can't be arsed to actually look where he is going!

They need to be careful, there is the possibility of someone being killed.

I don't think cycle time trialing on this road is sensible because of
the serious risks at the *junctions*. But I utterly condemn anyone that
hits a cyclist on the road directly ahead because they were not looking
in their direction of travel. Driving a car carries responsibility for
your actions. He did not intend to kill someone but the fact is that he
did and it was entirely down to his own negligent driving!

The nature of this accident is such that he could just as easily have
hit a pedestrian, tractor, another car, HGV or even a house (yes drivers
have hit houses that are close to the A19 roadside at 80+). This famous
one was taken nearby on the first sharp bend of the A167 after leaving
the A19. It has a nice flashing "warning bend" sign too!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-10802947

It is not known for certain what speed he was doing...

The Coast to Coast walk crosses the A19 at grade on the slip to Exelby
services - a potential killing zone. Walkers have no choice but to take
their chances walking across the A19 - no bridge for miles either way.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:26:42 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:

Is 'Niether' a legal term ? or a Dutch word?

"Niether"iz uh flaeming tipow!!

Eniwun cn maek theese.

Thuh poast woz vairy oonderstendibel.

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:34:28 +0100, Andy Watson wrote:

In article ,
"Mrcheerful" wrote:

Niether has his grammar, unless Janet managed to buy various bits of
shopping belonging to a Biro.
I suppose it is faintly possible that Mr Stamp has a partner or
assistant who goes by that name.

Is 'Niether' a legal term ? or a Dutch word?

Biro is a Hungarian surname meaning Judge, I am surprised that with
your legal training you did not know that.

Oh, look ... he found a typo. Isn't he keeeewwwwl .....

Uuuuw iess --

On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:55:58 +0100, JNugent wrote:

On 24/06/2013 22:19, Phil W Lee wrote:

Alex Heney had written:
and Dave-Cyclists VORT had written:

See Janet going to the Post Office with a large amount of cash.
Mr Stamp at the Post Office knows exactly what Janet means when she
asks for Road Tax.

He probably would

Of course he would. So what's the problem?

Janet pays lots of money to Mr Stamp for her Road Tax Disc.
Whilst at the Post Office Janet buys, some Biro's, Sellotape, Post
Its, Vaseline, Aspirin & Pot Noodles.
Mr Stamp knows exactly what they are as well.
See Janet drive her car on the road without having to worry about PC
Plod and his ANPR cameras.

It seems that although your reading has just about reached the "Janet
and John" stage, your comprehension hasn't.

Niether has his grammar...

What about his spelling?

Sea ubuv.

Martin Brown wrote:
On 24/06/2013 21:27, Judith wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:35:46 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 22/06/2013 13:13, Judith wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:57:52 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

snip

I won't walk the verge of this road with my back to the traffic
it is too dangerous. People are forever hitting street furniture
on the A19!

So hardly the place to hold a cycle race - someone could easily be
killed.

Mainly because the standard of driving on it is so **** poor.

So there is a well known low standard of driving on that particular
road,and some ****wits organise a cycle race on it.

The standard of driving nationally is **** poor. Drivers are clearly
not paying attention to the road ahead and some of them like *YOU* are
*celebrating* when one of their number gets away with killing a
cyclist because he can't be arsed to actually look where he is going!

They need to be careful, there is the possibility of someone being
killed.
I don't think cycle time trialing on this road is sensible because of
the serious risks at the *junctions*. But I utterly condemn anyone
that hits a cyclist on the road directly ahead because they were not
looking in their direction of travel. Driving a car carries
responsibility for your actions. He did not intend to kill someone
but the fact is that he did and it was entirely down to his own
negligent driving!
The nature of this accident is such that he could just as easily have
hit a pedestrian, tractor, another car, HGV or even a house (yes
drivers have hit houses that are close to the A19 roadside at 80+).
This famous one was taken nearby on the first sharp bend of the A167
after leaving the A19. It has a nice flashing "warning bend" sign too!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-10802947

It is not known for certain what speed he was doing...

The Coast to Coast walk crosses the A19 at grade on the slip to Exelby
services - a potential killing zone. Walkers have no choice but to
take their chances walking across the A19 - no bridge for miles
either way.

Racing cyclists kill each other and themselves due to not looking where they
are going, I expect you utterly condemn them too?
http://www.roadjustice.org.uk/case-s...-bedford-22412

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/cyclist_d...nquest_1_77614

road racing is no longer suitable, in the days of horse and carts perhaps,
but not today.

Mrcheerful wrote:

[...] road racing is no longer suitable, in the days of horse and carts perhaps,
but not today.

Pierre Curie, the French Nobel Prize winning physicist, was knocked
down and killed by a horse drawn cart, and he wasn't even on a bicycle
let alone racing one. So, you know, like don't underestimate those
horse and cart weapons from days gone by.

--
Alexis

Andy Watson put finger to keyboard:

In article ,
Phil W Lee wrote:

AlanG considered Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:15:38
+0100 the perfect time to write:

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:29:53 +0100, Andy Watson
wrote:



1. a 'right' cannot be 'bought', and paying more of a particular tax
(if 'road tax' existed, which it does not) does not grant more of a
particular 'right' to use something.

A 'right' to use the roads can be bought sadly. But only in London.
Red Ken's congestion charge allows anyone with sufficient moolah to
buy the right to take his motor vehicle into the congestion zone. If
you cannot afford the bribe then you walk or use a form of transport
that does not incur the charge

The payment of the Congestion Charge does not give you any right. All
it does give you is permission.

It's a curious notion that a right can be 'bought'. It's like claiming
that buying a rail ticket gives you the 'right' to travel by train. Try
boarding a train naked, and see how far that 'right' gets you. It's
like claiming that buying a cross-channel ferry ticket gives you the
'right' to get on a ferry. Try turning up ****ed, high on coke and
waving your willy at the boarding staff, and see how far that 'right'
gets you.

So you agree that pedestrians and cyclists have no absolute right to be on
the road.

On 25/06/2013 08:24, Martin Brown wrote:
On 24/06/2013 21:27, Judith wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:35:46 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 22/06/2013 13:13, Judith wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:57:52 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

snip

I won't walk the verge of this road with my back to the traffic it is
too dangerous. People are forever hitting street furniture on the A19!

So hardly the place to hold a cycle race - someone could easily be
killed.

Mainly because the standard of driving on it is so **** poor.

So there is a well known low standard of driving on that particular
road,and
some ****wits organise a cycle race on it.

The standard of driving nationally is **** poor. Drivers are clearly not
paying attention to the road ahead and some of them like *YOU* are
*celebrating* when one of their number gets away with killing a cyclist
because he can't be arsed to actually look where he is going!

They need to be careful, there is the possibility of someone being
killed.

I don't think cycle time trialing on this road is sensible because of
the serious risks at the *junctions*. But I utterly condemn anyone that
hits a cyclist on the road directly ahead because they were not looking
in their direction of travel. Driving a car carries responsibility for
your actions. He did not intend to kill someone but the fact is that he
did and it was entirely down to his own negligent driving!

The nature of this accident is such that he could just as easily have
hit a pedestrian, tractor, another car, HGV or even a house (yes drivers
have hit houses that are close to the A19 roadside at 80+). This famous
one was taken nearby on the first sharp bend of the A167 after leaving
the A19. It has a nice flashing "warning bend" sign too!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-10802947

It is not known for certain what speed he was doing...

The Coast to Coast walk crosses the A19 at grade on the slip to Exelby
services - a potential killing zone. Walkers have no choice but to take
their chances walking across the A19 - no bridge for miles either way.

So it's really dangerous on the A19, but that didn't stop a bike race
being organised along it?