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Old February 6th 05, 04:05 AM
Dennis P. Harris
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:14:27 -0600 in rec.bicycles.misc, "Chumly
Fakra" wrote:

Bicycle lanes are just paint on the street.
They do not improve safety at all.
Deal with it.

It's not just the paint stripe. They're talking about widening a
road that's too narrow, and has no shoulder or sidewalks. One
reason it's so important to do so is because Florida has such a
large number of impaired elderly drivers with bad vision, slow
reflexes, and bad physical health. Florida's DMV apparently
won't cancel elderly drivers' licenses unless they kill someone.

If they fail to widen this road, it will only confirm my belief
that Florida should stay in my do-not-visit list, where it ended
up after sentencing a 12 year old retarded kid to life in prison
for killing a younger child when he was imitating what he saw the
World Wrestling idiots do on TV. That and stealing the 2000
election were enough to put me off from ever spending any money
traveling there.


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Old February 6th 05, 09:10 PM
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"RonSonic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:05:33 -0900, (Dennis P.
Harris) wrote:

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:14:27 -0600 in rec.bicycles.misc, "Chumly
Fakra" wrote:

Bicycle lanes are just paint on the street.
They do not improve safety at all.
Deal with it.

It's not just the paint stripe. They're talking about widening a
road that's too narrow, and has no shoulder or sidewalks. One
reason it's so important to do so is because Florida has such a
large number of impaired elderly drivers with bad vision, slow
reflexes, and bad physical health. Florida's DMV apparently
won't cancel elderly drivers' licenses unless they kill someone.

If they fail to widen this road, it will only confirm my belief
that Florida should stay in my do-not-visit list, where it ended
up after sentencing a 12 year old retarded kid to life in prison
for killing a younger child when he was imitating what he saw the
World Wrestling idiots do on TV. That and stealing the 2000
election were enough to put me off from ever spending any money
traveling there.


A: It's up to us to determine how the roads should be paved and striped.

We even
pretend to listen to the opinions of those retired Northerners who want to

****
this place up as bad as they screwed up their own home towns before moving

here.
Then we put in the bike lanes we want.

B: You aren't missed.

Ron


Good one. I don't suppose Dennis would be so understanding if it was his
little girl Lionel Tate beat to death. I live in a retiree-heavy area of
Florida, and all I hear is how much better things were up north. Wonder why
they all move here, then?


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Old February 7th 05, 12:36 AM
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
ups.com...

Tim McNamara wrote:
"donquijote1954" writes:

Tim McNamara wrote:
"Chumly Fakra" writes:

Bicycle lanes are just paint on the street. They do not improve
safety at all. Deal with it.

You're quite correct. The best thing for improving safety on the
streets is an improvement in driver competence, on one hand, and

an
improvement in cyclist compliance with traffic laws. Both

cyclists
and drivers have an equal right to use the streets, roads and most
highways. Deal with it.

Both should be addressed. But expecting that someone--short of
Armageddon--will change traffic laws is just wishful thinking.


I wasn't talking about changing the traffic laws. Best if you read a
bit closer, eh?


I'm talking about a whole package:

1-Driver education

2-Tougher licensing

3-Enforcement of traffic laws to include passing on the left and unsafe
low speed

4-No phone talking

In other words, get rid of the Law of the Jungle in our roads.

snip scott wrote:"This places their little spandex-clad
butts about six inches away from my passenger side mirror as I fly
past them at 65 MPH. One mistake and his scrawny ass is in the
weeds..."snip

5. maybe punish those who (deliberately) cause injury to others becaue they
think they are bad ass as they sit on their fat ass and pump an accelerator
pedal...driving 65 in a 30?


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Old February 7th 05, 01:55 AM
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greggery peccary wrote:
"Ted Bungle" wrote in message
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"greggery peccary" .@. wrote in message
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"Chumly Fakra" wrote in message
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i see your point (i just hate that "deal with it"-end of discussion
attitude-almost as bad as getting snipped out of context), the lanes put the
cyclist where they may not be seen in an intersection where they would be
seen if travelling out in the road; but in my commute i travel some bike
lanes and some streets without. in town it isnt bad without bike lanes
because i can keep up (and anyone who wants to pass me and make me sniff
their exhaust waiting for the next light has to change lanes to do so); but
on streets without the lane i can't do 40 mph so i keep right and motorists
will always pass in the same lane.


As in not moving to the other lane even when there is no traffic
approaching? This happens to me more than I like and once had my elbow
hit by a right side rear view mirror. My elbow was badly bruised and as
far as I could tell the mirror was knocked loose but the driver never
slowed down. This road had zero clearance for bicycles and requires
serious attention from the rider. Some roads are best not ridden at all.

most roads around here there is barely
room for two cars and i have seen many close calls (head-ons) when people
must pass me-sometimes i even have to jump onto the sidewalk.


Funny, that, given the choice of slowing down or doing something
generally stupid, most motorists will choose the latter.

in the bike
lanes i have had fewer close calls with moving vehicles but more close calls
with doors. so it depends on where the lane is etc. i dont think they are
inherently safer, but for me they are a much needed alternative to riding a
narrow road where everyone drives way to fast. every route has it's unique
hazards. i can cite specific examples here in seattle if you like...
what i really cant stand are those ped/cycle multi use trails...those are
the worst!
-alan


A ped/cycle trail is better than no trail at all. Besides, look at the
bright side, if it was also an equestrian trail you might run into the
rear end of a horse. ;)
Bill Baka
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Old February 7th 05, 02:08 AM
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Gooserider wrote:
"RonSonic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:05:33 -0900, (Dennis P.
Harris) wrote:


On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:14:27 -0600 in rec.bicycles.misc, "Chumly
Fakra" wrote:


Bicycle lanes are just paint on the street.
They do not improve safety at all.
Deal with it.


It's not just the paint stripe. They're talking about widening a
road that's too narrow, and has no shoulder or sidewalks. One
reason it's so important to do so is because Florida has such a
large number of impaired elderly drivers with bad vision, slow
reflexes, and bad physical health. Florida's DMV apparently
won't cancel elderly drivers' licenses unless they kill someone.

If they fail to widen this road, it will only confirm my belief
that Florida should stay in my do-not-visit list, where it ended
up after sentencing a 12 year old retarded kid to life in prison
for killing a younger child when he was imitating what he saw the
World Wrestling idiots do on TV. That and stealing the 2000
election were enough to put me off from ever spending any money
traveling there.


A: It's up to us to determine how the roads should be paved and striped.


We even

pretend to listen to the opinions of those retired Northerners who want to


****

this place up as bad as they screwed up their own home towns before moving


here.

Then we put in the bike lanes we want.

B: You aren't missed.

Ron



Good one. I don't suppose Dennis would be so understanding if it was his
little girl Lionel Tate beat to death. I live in a retiree-heavy area of
Florida, and all I hear is how much better things were up north. Wonder why
they all move here, then?


Too lazy to shovel snow a few times a year! Oh, and the cold weather
arthritis thing. Cop outs for the lazy elders with money.
Bill Baka
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Old February 7th 05, 06:22 AM
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:10:52 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc,
"Gooserider" wrote:

Good one. I don't suppose Dennis would be so understanding if it was his
little girl Lionel Tate beat to death.


The kid is retarded. Life in an adult prison for a crime not
knowingly committed at age 12 is a bit harsh.

I didn't say that he should be free, mind you. He may need to be
institutionalized, but there are many other facilities for
developmentally disabled adults who may be dangerous other than
an adult prison (and probably less expensive, too).


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Old February 7th 05, 06:35 PM
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"Dennis P. Harris" wrote in message
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If they fail to widen this road, it will only confirm my belief
that Florida should stay in my do-not-visit list, where it ended
up after sentencing a 12 year old retarded kid to life in prison
for killing a younger child when he was imitating what he saw the
World Wrestling idiots do on TV. That and stealing the 2000
election were enough to put me off from ever spending any money
traveling there.


BTW, the entire state of Florida didn't sentence this kid. He was sentenced
by a judge.

And haven't you guys gotten over that 2000 election thing yet?

Cheto


 




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