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Old October 18th 14, 01:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Tail Lights with 180 Degree Visibility that mount to the rack mountlike dynamo tail lights?

Tail lights with side pointing LEDs used to be pretty common but they
seem to have disappeared.

Now that my new rack has a very good mount for a tail light I was
looking for something similar to the old CatEye TL=LD1100 which had six
rear facing LEDs and four side facing LEDs. Still on they web site at
http://www.cateye.com/en/products/detail/TL-LD1100/ but apparently
discontinued.

I tried ordering from Amazon and we'll see if the store really has them
since they quoted 14-21 days delivery.
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Old October 18th 14, 02:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Tail Lights with 180 Degree Visibility that mount to the rackmount like dynamo tail lights?

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:31:20 AM UTC+1, sms wrote:
Tail lights with side pointing LEDs used to be pretty common but they

seem to have disappeared.



Now that my new rack has a very good mount for a tail light I was

looking for something similar to the old CatEye TL=LD1100 which had six

rear facing LEDs and four side facing LEDs. Still on they web site at

http://www.cateye.com/en/products/detail/TL-LD1100/ but apparently

discontinued.



I tried ordering from Amazon and we'll see if the store really has them

since they quoted 14-21 days delivery.


For a very long time the Cateye TL-LD1000 and 1100 were the very best rear lamps you could buy short of a Dinotte. However, they've been overtaken by new technology. The BUMM version most people have is the Line Plus. It emits a horizontal line of light, said to be more visible than a point source. The Philips version, part of the Saferide group, is an oval, i.e. two lines, tested by the police in The Netherlands to be even more effective than the BUMM Linetec. Both are claimed to have 180% or better visibility.

I have the Line Plus and have stopped using the Cateye Cateye TL-LD1100 because it is no longer the best rear lamp.

Andre Jute
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Old October 18th 14, 04:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Tail Lights with 180 Degree Visibility that mount to the rack mount like dynamo tail lights?

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:28:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

I have the Line Plus and have stopped using the Cateye Cateye
TL-LD1100 because it is no longer the best rear lamp.


http://www.bumm.de/produkte/dynamo-ruecklicht/toplight-line-plus.html
Nice tail light, but I don't see any side lighting in the photos. I
think Stephen and I want something with side lights as in 180 degree
visibility.

Andre Jute
Illuminati


One must suffer before enlightenment. If you've ever used a
departement store bicyle light, you already know suffering.


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Old October 18th 14, 06:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Tail Lights with 180 Degree Visibility that mount to the rackmount like dynamo tail lights?

On 10/17/2014 8:59 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:28:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

I have the Line Plus and have stopped using the Cateye Cateye
TL-LD1100 because it is no longer the best rear lamp.


http://www.bumm.de/produkte/dynamo-ruecklicht/toplight-line-plus.html
Nice tail light, but I don't see any side lighting in the photos. I
think Stephen and I want something with side lights as in 180 degree
visibility.

Andre Jute
Illuminati


One must suffer before enlightenment. If you've ever used a
departement store bicyle light, you already know suffering.


The Bumm rear lights are unacceptable because they lack a flash mode. A
Flashing rear red LED light is the defacto indication to other road
users that there is a bicycle ahead.

The TL-LDll00 may be the only battery powered light, with flasher
function, that is explicitly designed for attachment to a rack's
reflector bracket.

The Aervoe LED road flares have 360 degree visibility, are very bright,
completely sealed,and are USB rechargeable with an internal battery. But
mounting them securely in a way that they can be removed when parked is
not so easy.
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Old October 18th 14, 07:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Tail Lights with 180 Degree Visibility that mount to the rackmount like dynamo tail lights?

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 4:59:16 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:28:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote:



I have the Line Plus and have stopped using the Cateye Cateye


TL-LD1100 because it is no longer the best rear lamp.




http://www.bumm.de/produkte/dynamo-ruecklicht/toplight-line-plus.html

Nice tail light, but I don't see any side lighting in the photos. I

think Stephen and I want something with side lights as in 180 degree

visibility.


In the place of the Cateye TL-LD1100's side-facing LEDs, the Linetec lamps bend the light by a lens. It has adequate sidethrow. This cheap-looking piece of plastic is in fact the best reasonably priced rear lamp generally available today. At or around the same price only the Philips Saferide is possibly better, and good luck with sourcing one. At a very much higher price a Dinotte may be superior.

Andre Jute


Illuminati




One must suffer before enlightenment. If you've ever used a

departement store bicyle light, you already know suffering.


I'm not big on suffering, as in my profession it involves living in an unheated garret on a moldy crust of bread and cold water. Instead I've been an exile for more than two thirds of my life; I trust that will be acceptible as substitute suffering.

Andre Jute
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Old October 18th 14, 05:44 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Tail Lights with 180 Degree Visibility that mount to the rack mount like dynamo tail lights?

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:42:50 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

In the place of the Cateye TL-LD1100's side-facing LEDs, the Linetec lamps
bend the light by a lens. It has adequate sidethrow. This cheap-looking
piece of plastic is in fact the best reasonably priced rear lamp generally
available today. At or around the same price only the Philips Saferide
is possibly better, and good luck with sourcing one. At a very much higher
price a Dinotte may be superior.


Ok, so the BUM Line Plus tail lights do have some lighting to the
sides. It was difficult to tell from the web pages.

One must suffer before enlightenment. If you've ever used a
departement store bicyle light, you already know suffering.


I'm not big on suffering, as in my profession it involves living in an
unheated garret on a moldy crust of bread and cold water. Instead I've been
an exile for more than two thirds of my life; I trust that will be acceptible
as substitute suffering.


It's a standard plot line that works well from Biblical lore, Greek
fables, Samurai movies, and today's action movies. The hero has a
goal, which is frustrated by an evil and devious villain. In order to
achieve his intended goal, the villain sends the hero on a quest,
during which he must overcome a series of obstacles, suffer various
indignities, but eventually triumph in the end. Upon his return, he
achieves his goal, vanquishes the villain, and settles down to a
normal life, vowing never to do anything that risky and stupid again,
which is true enlightenment.

Your problem seems to be that you have successfully achieved the
required suffering without a clearly defined goal. The result can
only be endless suffering as it's difficult to recognize that you've
arrived at your goal, if you don't have one. While glorified poverty
does have its merits in some circles, it gets old rather quickly. I
did that during my Beatnik and Hippie stages during the 1960's for a
time until I recognized the futility and stupidity of the lifestyle.

Offhand, I would speculate that you have the means and ability to do
better than simulate a prison environment. Whether you have the will
to change or a suitable goal is less certain. I recommend a
conscientious program of self improvement, starting with paying the
heating bill, avoiding day old bread sales, and switching to hot tea
instead of cold.

While I doubt that any of this will improve your selection of bicycle
lighting, I should point out that few riders purchase a $300 bicycle
headlight without first suffering with a much cheaper headlight. As I
said, one must suffer before enlightenment.

Andre Jute
TGIF


The Goal I Fear.

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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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Old October 18th 14, 09:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:44:04 PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:42:50 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute

wrote:

Upon his return, he

achieves his goal, vanquishes the villain, and settles down to a

normal life, vowing never to do anything that risky and stupid again,

which is true enlightenment.


Nah, I was exiled for a genuine matter of principle -- being too outspoken, articulate and influential in defence of freedom of speech for everyone regardless of the colour of their skin -- and would do it again, in exactly the same way. So what if I had to play polo in South America for a year or two?

While I doubt that any of this will improve your selection of bicycle

lighting, I should point out that few riders purchase a $300 bicycle

headlight without first suffering with a much cheaper headlight. As I

said, one must suffer before enlightenment.


I prefer, especially when it comes to BUMM's endless parade of lamps put in the hands of unwitting beta testers -- sorry, their customers, to let a fashion victim like Georgie Clive suffer in his wallet until the thing is proven workable and the price falls out of the stratosphere. The latest Luxos is a good example of a lamp too far, which is BUMM's standard mode; occasionally they get lucky, as with the Fly/Cyo first series. The thing is not to be in too much of a hurry to give them your money for mistakes like the Luxos.

Andre Jute


TGIF


The Goal I Fear.


Friday is the day I cook for my family. I like cooking. http://coolmainpress.com/andrejutefoodindex.html

Andre Jute
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Old October 18th 14, 09:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Tail Lights with 180 Degree Visibility that mount to the rackmount like dynamo tail lights?

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:01:33 AM UTC+1, sms wrote:
On 10/17/2014 8:59 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:28:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote:




I have the Line Plus and have stopped using the Cateye Cateye


TL-LD1100 because it is no longer the best rear lamp.




http://www.bumm.de/produkte/dynamo-ruecklicht/toplight-line-plus.html


Nice tail light, but I don't see any side lighting in the photos. I


think Stephen and I want something with side lights as in 180 degree


visibility.




Andre Jute


Illuminati


The Bumm rear lights are unacceptable because they lack a flash mode. A

Flashing rear red LED light is the defacto indication to other road

users that there is a bicycle ahead.


See http://coolmainpress.com/andrejutefoodindex.html and go to last photo at bottom of page.
which demonstrates that BUMM Line rear lamp leaves Cateye TL-LD1100 for dead. The top lamps is the Cateye, the lower one BUMM Line.

The TL-LDll00 may be the only battery powered light, with flasher

function, that is explicitly designed for attachment to a rack's

reflector bracket.


I dunno where you get this idea, Scharfie. See first photo at http://coolmainpress.com/BICYCLINGbuildingpedelec6.html which shows that the Cateye TL-LD1100 fits to the rack by cableties. This Cateye does come with fittings for the seat post and a bicycle jacket loop but I've bought several (they self-destruct by losing the cap, containing two side-LEDs, the switching and the connector for the batteries, which makes them worthless) and have never found a rackmount in the box.

In general, Europeans find lamps on their bikes when they buy them, the lamps are firmly bolted on, and nobody takes off the lamps when they park the bikes. You trying to mix cultures, Scharfie, and it aint working.

BTW, I used the Cateye TL-LD1100 with the BUMM Line for a while, until someone swapped bikes with me to try mine and at one point in the dusk I was catching up from a mile back, and when I came close enough to see the Line lamp, the flashing Cateye TL-LD1100 wasn't even visible. The Line lamp just killed the Cateye down to a distance where I reckon it would be impossible for your average driver driving only 30kph faster than the bicyclist to react. In short, the Line makes the Cateye superfluous. This applies in the daylight too. See second and third photos from bottom of http://coolmainpress..com/BICYCLINGb...gpedelec5.html

You won't find a removable dynamo lamp, you won't find a dynamo lamp that flashes. You have to make a choice, feller. The Line (or the Philips Saferide if you can find one, a bolt-on lamp just like the Line) is what you can get in dynamo lamps, the Cateye what you can get in battery lamps, and I know which would choose.

Pity Scharfie won't see this expert analysis by someone who owns several versions of both lamps, and has actually used them together, because he brags that he has killfiled me; I do owe Scharfie something for putting me onto MR11 and MR16 lamps back in the days when I rolled my own because there was nothing useful available commercially at any kind of a reasonable price, and the rest of the little ******s on RBT were worthlessly engaged in scoring points off newbies. Poor Scharfie.

Andre Jute
Not an ingrate!
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Old October 18th 14, 09:43 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Tail Lights with 180 Degree Visibility that mount to the rackmount like dynamo tail lights?

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:01:33 AM UTC+1, sms wrote:
On 10/17/2014 8:59 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:28:15 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute wrote:




I have the Line Plus and have stopped using the Cateye Cateye


TL-LD1100 because it is no longer the best rear lamp.




http://www.bumm.de/produkte/dynamo-ruecklicht/toplight-line-plus.html


Nice tail light, but I don't see any side lighting in the photos. I


think Stephen and I want something with side lights as in 180 degree


visibility.




Andre Jute


Illuminati


The Bumm rear lights are unacceptable because they lack a flash mode. A

Flashing rear red LED light is the defacto indication to other road

users that there is a bicycle ahead.


See http://coolmainpress.com/BICYCLINGbuildingpedelec5.html and go to last photo at bottom of page, which demonstrates that the BUMM Line rear lamp leaves Cateye TL-LD1100 for dead. The top lamps is the Cateye, the lower one the BUMM Line.

The TL-LDll00 may be the only battery powered light, with flasher

function, that is explicitly designed for attachment to a rack's

reflector bracket.


I dunno where you get this idea, Scharfie. See first photo at http://coolmainpress.com/BICYCLINGbuildingpedelec6.html which shows that the Cateye TL-LD1100 fits to the rack by cableties. This Cateye does come with fittings for the seat post and a bicycle jacket loop but I've bought several (they self-destruct by losing the cap, containing two side-LEDs, the switching and the connector for the batteries, which makes them worthless unless you can find the cap beside the road) and have never found a rackmount in the box.

In general, Europeans find lamps on their bikes when they buy them, the lamps are firmly bolted on, and nobody takes off the lamps when they park the bikes. You're trying to mix cultures, Scharfie, and it ain't working.

BTW, I used the Cateye TL-LD1100 with the BUMM Line for a while, until someone swapped bikes with me to try mine and at one point in the dusk I was catching up from a mile back, and when I came close enough to see the Line lamp, the flashing Cateye TL-LD1100 wasn't even visible. The Line lamp just killed the Cateye down to a distance where I reckon it would be impossible for your average driver driving only 30kph faster than the bicyclist to react. In short, the Line makes the Cateye superfluous. This applies in the daylight too, if you use the rear lamp as a dalight warning lamp; I do; my lamps are switched on automatically whenever the bike rolls. See second and third photos from bottom of http://coolmainpress.com/BICYCLINGbuildingpedelec5.html

You won't find a removable dynamo lamp, you won't find a dynamo lamp that flashes. You have to make a choice, feller. The Line (or the Philips Saferide if you can find one, a bolt-on lamp just like the Line) is what you can get in dynamo lamps, the Cateye what you can get in battery lamps, and I know which would choose.

Pity Scharfie won't see this expert analysis by someone who owns several versions of both lamps, and has actually used them together, because he brags that he has killfiled me; I do owe Scharfie something for putting me onto MR11 and MR16 lamps back in the days when I rolled my own because there was nothing useful available commercially at any kind of a reasonable price, and the rest of the little ******s on RBT were worthlessly engaged in scoring points off newbies. Poor Scharfie.

Andre Jute
Not an ingrate!
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Old October 19th 14, 08:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Tail Lights with 180 Degree Visibility that mount to the rackmount like dynamo tail lights?

On Friday, October 17, 2014 5:31:20 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
Tail lights with side pointing LEDs used to be pretty common but they

seem to have disappeared.



Now that my new rack has a very good mount for a tail light I was

looking for something similar to the old CatEye TL=LD1100 which had six

rear facing LEDs and four side facing LEDs. Still on they web site at

http://www.cateye.com/en/products/detail/TL-LD1100/ but apparently

discontinued.



I tried ordering from Amazon and we'll see if the store really has them

since they quoted 14-21 days delivery.


Busch & Muller 4D toplights have 2 in the center Behind a Lens & 2 on the edges .

the Whole thing Lights Up. add the Senso function & it will turn it self On when dark
and off after you have stopped for a few minutes
and if riding thru a dark tunnel it will turn itself on automatically
and then Blink (1/sec.)

http://www.bumm.de/produkte/akku-rue...-toplight.html
 




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