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On 27/09/2018 11:59 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:52:11 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/24/21/4517082-6202141-One_man_was_spotted_in_despair_after_his_car_was_b adly_damaged_b-a-200_1537819759698.jpg The tire doesn’t look flat to me. Not even on the bottom. Try looking at the original Daily Mail photo. Here's a 4X enlargement of the tire contact area: http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/fixie-crunch-02.jpg It might not be flat, but rather the weight of the vehicle might be pushing down on the rear wheel. Or, it might be an indication of a Photoshop edit. The tire doesn't look quite right to be a flat tire, which would show parts of the tire pushed outward to both sides of the contact area. However, I'm not familiar with that style of rim, so I don't know how the tube and tire will act when flat. Looks more like an uneven road section in this picture. |
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Jeff Liebermann:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:52:11 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/24/21/4517082-6202141-One_man_was_spotted_in_despair_after_his_car_was_b adly_damaged_b-a-200_1537819759698.jpg The tire doesn’t look flat to me. Not even on the bottom. Try looking at the original Daily Mail photo. The original, original photograph is more than a year older. Despite some larger file sizes from around May 2017, not much difference when enlarged, IMHO. Here's a 4X enlargement of the tire contact area: http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/fixie-crunch-02.jpg It might not be flat, but rather the weight of the vehicle might be pushing down on the rear wheel. Or, it might be an indication of a Photoshop edit. Good luck finding out more... http://fotoforensics.com/tutorial-ela.php The tire doesn't look quite right to be a flat tire, which would show parts of the tire pushed outward to both sides of the contact area. Lack of flattened tire visibly pushed outward might be explained by relatively wide rim or the plasti-car not only pushing down, but also pushing the rim a bit to starboard. However, I'm not familiar with that style of rim, so I don't know how the tube and tire will act when flat. +1. |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:56:05 +0200, Sepp Ruf
wrote: Jeff Liebermann: On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:52:11 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/24/21/4517082-6202141-One_man_was_spotted_in_despair_after_his_car_was_b adly_damaged_b-a-200_1537819759698.jpg The tire doesn’t look flat to me. Not even on the bottom. Try looking at the original Daily Mail photo. The original, original photograph is more than a year older. Despite some larger file sizes from around May 2017, not much difference when enlarged, IMHO. If you searched for the image using Google image search, it produced 176 unique version of the image, which means someone edited it and change the image size to something unique during the edit. I didn't bother counting how many non-unique versions were out there. However, they the images seems to be rather recent, generally within a week. The May 2017 version that you found is actually the date on the picture gallery or web page where the image was displayed. Since the EXIF data is missing form the image, it defaults to the date from the web page. Here's a 4X enlargement of the tire contact area: http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/fixie-crunch-02.jpg It might not be flat, but rather the weight of the vehicle might be pushing down on the rear wheel. Or, it might be an indication of a Photoshop edit. Good luck finding out more... http://fotoforensics.com/tutorial-ela.php That URL doesn't work. It spins for a while and then times out. I think the server might be down. I won't claim to know the first thing about image forensics, but will claim that I'm fairly good at picking out details from photos and such (due to a few years in the advertising business doing mostly subliminals). The tire doesn't look quite right to be a flat tire, which would show parts of the tire pushed outward to both sides of the contact area. Lack of flattened tire visibly pushed outward might be explained by relatively wide rim or the plasti-car not only pushing down, but also pushing the rim a bit to starboard. Yep. There's also what might be a small depression in the road that might be hiding only the tire. However, I find it odd that the depression is exactly the correct depth needed to hide only the tire and not the rim. However, I'm not familiar with that style of rim, so I don't know how the tube and tire will act when flat. +1. Yep. True confessions of a bicycle forensics amateur: 1. I've never ridden a fixie. 2. I've seen rims like that but have never played with one or ridden on one. 3. My attention to photographic detail sometimes causes me to see things that aren't there. That's the price of having a good imagination. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:56:05 +0200, Sepp Ruf wrote: Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:52:11 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/24/21/4517082-6202141-One_man_was_spotted_in_despair_after_his_car_was_b adly_damaged_b-a-200_1537819759698.jpg The tire doesn’t look flat to me. Not even on the bottom. Try looking at the original Daily Mail photo. The original, original photograph is more than a year older. Despite some larger file sizes from around May 2017, not much difference when enlarged, IMHO. If you searched for the image using Google image search, It was tineye, but after quickly giving up because the "larger versions" didn't seem to show more detail or the full front wheel, I did miss the point about irrelevant page dates you nicely explain: it produced 176 unique version of the image, which means someone edited it and change the image size to something unique during the edit. I didn't bother counting how many non-unique versions were out there. However, they the images seems to be rather recent, generally within a week. The May 2017 version that you found is actually the date on the picture gallery or web page where the image was displayed. Since the EXIF data is missing form the image, it defaults to the date from the web page. Here's a 4X enlargement of the tire contact area: http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/fixie-crunch-02.jpg It might not be flat, but rather the weight of the vehicle might be pushing down on the rear wheel. Or, it might be an indication of a Photoshop edit. Good luck finding out more... http://fotoforensics.com/tutorial-ela.php That URL doesn't work. It spins for a while and then times out. I think the server might be down. Sorry about that. All I can say is that it wants scripting enabled and that the area of the wheel-road interface does not seem to exhibit abnormalities different from the rest of the bike. E.g., a touch-up of the upper eyelashes http://fotoforensics.com/img/sample01.jpg is deemed to be visible studying this error level analysis graphic: http://fotoforensics.com/img/sample01-ela.png I won't claim to know the first thing about image forensics, but will claim that I'm fairly good at picking out details from photos and such (due to a few years in the advertising business doing mostly subliminals). That site got a bit of prominence when a "press photo of the year" looked doctored and the winner "forgot" to bring the raw file, and then when spotting tank trails and BUKs in the Ukraine-Russian conflict zone was all the rage. The tire doesn't look quite right to be a flat tire, which would show parts of the tire pushed outward to both sides of the contact area. Lack of flattened tire visibly pushed outward might be explained by relatively wide rim or the plasti-car not only pushing down, but also pushing the rim a bit to starboard. Yep. There's also what might be a small depression in the road that might be hiding only the tire. However, I find it odd that the depression is exactly the correct depth needed to hide only the tire and not the rim. If I knew the city and the language and wasn't afraid of getting any visa application denied in the future, I'd _flatly_ complain to the department of road works for interfering with our investigation. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:19:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
I'll agree that it is difficult to discern but you can't REALLY believe that that much damage was done to that car and the wheel is unharmed? So how would I fake such an accident? First, I would smash a car into a post a few times to produce a suitable dent. Each time, I would trial fit the rear wheel of the bicycle into the dent and take some test photos. I would need a supply of spare plastic or vinyl bumper protectors in case the dent did not quite match the bicycle. Probably several cameras to take the photo from different angles. Some Photoshop work on the best photos and send the photo to the media. Destroy all the other photos to make sure nobody gets any evidence of how it was done. Yes, it can be faked, but why bother? Or, it could have been coincidence. Someone smashed their car into a pole or something. Bicycle rider comes along and notices that his bicycle will fit nicely into the smashed in front bumper cover. Take a few photos and off to the media. Actually, I would have taken several photos using much better quality and higher resolution than what I've found on the internet, which makes me suspect this theory is unlikely. Anyway, notice something missing? There's no skid mark on the pavement behind the rear tire. Also, the patch in or on the pavement near the rear wheel looks like a bad touchup job to hide an inconveniently placed shadow. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:13:14 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:19:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I'll agree that it is difficult to discern but you can't REALLY believe that that much damage was done to that car and the wheel is unharmed? So how would I fake such an accident? First, I would smash a car into a post a few times to produce a suitable dent. Each time, I would trial fit the rear wheel of the bicycle into the dent and take some test photos. I would need a supply of spare plastic or vinyl bumper protectors in case the dent did not quite match the bicycle. Probably several cameras to take the photo from different angles. Some Photoshop work on the best photos and send the photo to the media. Destroy all the other photos to make sure nobody gets any evidence of how it was done. Yes, it can be faked, but why bother? Or, it could have been coincidence. Someone smashed their car into a pole or something. Bicycle rider comes along and notices that his bicycle will fit nicely into the smashed in front bumper cover. Take a few photos and off to the media. Actually, I would have taken several photos using much better quality and higher resolution than what I've found on the internet, which makes me suspect this theory is unlikely. Anyway, notice something missing? There's no skid mark on the pavement behind the rear tire. Also, the patch in or on the pavement near the rear wheel looks like a bad touchup job to hide an inconveniently placed shadow. Jeff - I want you to think of this - that's an Illinois license plate. If that actually occurred why would it not be all over national news? It wouldn't be very difficult to fake simply by the car running into something like a fire hydrant and the cyclist getting a flat from the glass on the road and doing that while someone else took the picture as a joke. |
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On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 7:06:01 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/...7819759698.jpg Nice job! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I think the photo is fake. The impact would have forced the bike forward. Andy |
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On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-7, Andy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 7:06:01 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/...7819759698.jpg Nice job! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I think the photo is fake. The impact would have forced the bike forward. Andy I would have checked it with Snopes but they have banned me for proving that they are politically motivated on a high percentage of their "fact checks". |
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On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:53:32 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-7, Andy wrote: On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 7:06:01 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/...7819759698.jpg Nice job! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I think the photo is fake. The impact would have forced the bike forward. Andy I would have checked it with Snopes but they have banned me for proving that they are politically motivated on a high percentage of their "fact checks". I didn't find anything on Snopes but I found this very similar image from 2012 https://jalopnik.com/5918071/look-at...is-chinese-car Also found on reditt https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comment..._a_germanmade/ Cheers |
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