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On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 02:11:35 -0800, sms wrote:
On 12/4/2019 7:25 AM, jbeattie wrote: snip BTW, I was at the racks early yesterday and there were only seven bikes in my little rack segment -- six with discs, and all the bikes were totally mid-fi and relatively inexpensive. In the wet PNW, discs are clearly dominating. Yes, I know -- it is all part of some giant conspiracy by Big Disc to subjugate the masses with disc brakes. O.K., blame me. I bought them years ago and gave strength to our oppressing disc overlords. Anyone not using disc brakes is standing in the way of human progress. That would only apply if they were not very good. |
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On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 02:11:35 -0800, sms
wrote: On 12/4/2019 7:25 AM, jbeattie wrote: snip BTW, I was at the racks early yesterday and there were only seven bikes in my little rack segment -- six with discs, and all the bikes were totally mid-fi and relatively inexpensive. In the wet PNW, discs are clearly dominating. Yes, I know -- it is all part of some giant conspiracy by Big Disc to subjugate the masses with disc brakes. O.K., blame me. I bought them years ago and gave strength to our oppressing disc overlords. Anyone not using disc brakes is standing in the way of human progress. But human progress has long passed the simple disc and caliper brakes used on a bicycle. Modern aircraft use multi plate brakes. In fact multi plate brakes were used at least as far back as the F-4, and perhaps earlier, which seems to have first gone into service in the early 1960's. -- cheers, John B. |
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sms wrote:
On 12/4/2019 7:25 AM, jbeattie wrote: snip BTW, I was at the racks early yesterday and there were only seven bikes in my little rack segment -- six with discs, and all the bikes were totally mid-fi and relatively inexpensive. In the wet PNW, discs are clearly dominating. Yes, I know -- it is all part of some giant conspiracy by Big Disc to subjugate the masses with disc brakes. O.K., blame me. I bought them years ago and gave strength to our oppressing disc overlords. Anyone not using disc brakes is standing in the way of human progress. Isn’t the whole point of brakes to impede human progress? |
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On 12/5/2019 1:06 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Come on, John. Don’t be a smarty pants. If I’ve got a roof over my head and a million in the bank, I may choose other means to achieve fulfillment than if I have a roof over my head and $2 in my pocket. The main point that people are dancing around here is whether they feel that a certain technology is worth paying list price for. I’m currently running a 3x9 STI setup with canti brakes, simply because I do not feel that I will get adequate incremental satisfaction per dollar by going with disks and Di2. However, if there was another zero on all of my bank balances, I might give it a try. What makes Lou happy is overkill for Frank. Chalo and Jay are on different paths to enlightenment, but it doesn’t mean that their personal choices don’t get them where they wanna go. Now, I personally believe that there is excessive marketing going on and that a lot of new stuff is being sold simply because “we can’t sell you something that you already own”. I also think that at the bleeding edge, the incremental cost of innovation is pretty darn high, but without early adopters, there’s nobody subsidizing the more affordable mass market products. +1, with the addition of my usual comment: We should be able to discuss the benefits and detriments of each marketed "advancement." -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 12/4/2019 10:11 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 21:32:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/4/2019 5:22 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 12/4/2019 4:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: Andrew had an excellent tale bookmarked, a guy selling a Campy bottom bracket by telling how it would make you irresistible to the ladies. When sending out a particularly beautiful Gunnar: http://www.yellowjersey.org/gun0907a.jpg I flippantly said, "Pretty bike, it's a chick magnet." email from customer: "Gunnar First Ride Report: I got a ride in before the rain hit and it was AWESOME. Thank you so much for guiding me through the process of getting this bike. Brian PS Andy was right apparently, it's a chick magnet. At a stop light on my way home with it on top of my car, a woman rolled her window down and chatted me up about the bike. Then asked if I'd want to take a ride sometime and gave me her phone number?!?!!?!?!!!!" I've told this before, but: Maybe 5 years ago I built up a nice, custom Reynolds 531 frame into a 3 speed about-town bike. I used almost entirely parts I had in my junk boxes. I did spend $7 for a set of alloy upright handlebars, and a few bucks at Staples for a chrome desktop wire basket, which I zip-tied onto my front Blackburn rack. That's where packages go. Anyway, not long after the bike was completed, I was riding it home from the library. A gaggle of teenage girls on the sidewalk shouted "We like your bike!" Then one of them said "It's sexy!" I have no explanation for that. And you remembered it for all these years :-) Hey, you'd have remembered if it happened to you! But did you tell your wife? (and what did she say ?) We both laughed about it. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/5/2019 1:06 AM, Ralph Barone wrote: Come on, John. Don’t be a smarty pants. If I’ve got a roof over my head and a million in the bank, I may choose other means to achieve fulfillment than if I have a roof over my head and $2 in my pocket. The main point that people are dancing around here is whether they feel that a certain technology is worth paying list price for. I’m currently running a 3x9 STI setup with canti brakes, simply because I do not feel that I will get adequate incremental satisfaction per dollar by going with disks and Di2. However, if there was another zero on all of my bank balances, I might give it a try. What makes Lou happy is overkill for Frank. Chalo and Jay are on different paths to enlightenment, but it doesn’t mean that their personal choices don’t get them where they wanna go. Now, I personally believe that there is excessive marketing going on and that a lot of new stuff is being sold simply because “we can’t sell you something that you already own”. I also think that at the bleeding edge, the incremental cost of innovation is pretty darn high, but without early adopters, there’s nobody subsidizing the more affordable mass market products. +1, with the addition of my usual comment: We should be able to discuss the benefits and detriments of each marketed "advancement." Hopefully in an informed way after having tried said "advancement." -- Jay Beattie. |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/5/2019 1:06 AM, Ralph Barone wrote: Come on, John. Don’t be a smarty pants. If I’ve got a roof over my head and a million in the bank, I may choose other means to achieve fulfillment than if I have a roof over my head and $2 in my pocket. The main point that people are dancing around here is whether they feel that a certain technology is worth paying list price for. I’m currently running a 3x9 STI setup with canti brakes, simply because I do not feel that I will get adequate incremental satisfaction per dollar by going with disks and Di2. However, if there was another zero on all of my bank balances, I might give it a try. What makes Lou happy is overkill for Frank. Chalo and Jay are on different paths to enlightenment, but it doesn’t mean that their personal choices don’t get them where they wanna go. Now, I personally believe that there is excessive marketing going on and that a lot of new stuff is being sold simply because “we can’t sell you something that you already own”. I also think that at the bleeding edge, the incremental cost of innovation is pretty darn high, but without early adopters, there’s nobody subsidizing the more affordable mass market products. +1, with the addition of my usual comment: We should be able to discuss the benefits and detriments of each marketed "advancement." With, of course the caveat that “the benefits and detriments are not constant across all users”. Yeah, I know, that’s a little hard for engineers to swallow, but if I can do it, so can you. |
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On 12/5/2019 2:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/5/2019 1:06 AM, Ralph Barone wrote: Come on, John. Don’t be a smarty pants. If I’ve got a roof over my head and a million in the bank, I may choose other means to achieve fulfillment than if I have a roof over my head and $2 in my pocket. The main point that people are dancing around here is whether they feel that a certain technology is worth paying list price for. I’m currently running a 3x9 STI setup with canti brakes, simply because I do not feel that I will get adequate incremental satisfaction per dollar by going with disks and Di2. However, if there was another zero on all of my bank balances, I might give it a try. What makes Lou happy is overkill for Frank. Chalo and Jay are on different paths to enlightenment, but it doesn’t mean that their personal choices don’t get them where they wanna go. Now, I personally believe that there is excessive marketing going on and that a lot of new stuff is being sold simply because “we can’t sell you something that you already own”. I also think that at the bleeding edge, the incremental cost of innovation is pretty darn high, but without early adopters, there’s nobody subsidizing the more affordable mass market products. +1, with the addition of my usual comment: We should be able to discuss the benefits and detriments of each marketed "advancement." Hopefully in an informed way after having tried said "advancement." Really? In (say) the 1880s, when bicycles were changing and improving rapidly, that may have made sense to evaluate different springing systems, wildly different frame designs, brand new pneumatic tires, etc. But now bicycles are an extremely mature technology. We're deep into diminishing returns. In fact, this is the era of negligible returns. I don't have to try the next aerodynamic frame to know that the benefits of a tiny reduction in aero drag are negligible. I haven't ridden an 11 cog bike, but based on my experience owning from 5 up to 9 and briefly trying a 10, I don't need to ride an 11 to know it won't transform my experience. I understand physics well enough to know that yet another bottom bracket standard, 8% stiffer than the last, will be undetectable in my riding. Decades ago, an article in (IIRC) Scientific American discussed bike technology. One interesting part was the computation of the performance of the "ultimate" conventional bike - one with zero mass and zero aero drag. The point was, it would not be much faster than what we have. The mass and drag of the rider already dominate. Performance is not going to improve much, and that's been shown by historical data from the grand tours. I already have so few problems (braking, shifting, etc.) that it's hard to imagine any great mechanical improvement. If I could choose the direction of the research efforts, it would be toward greater climate comfort. It's cold out there! And rain still sucks when riding, especially in halfway presentable clothing! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 12/5/2019 4:18 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: On 12/5/2019 1:06 AM, Ralph Barone wrote: Come on, John. Don’t be a smarty pants. If I’ve got a roof over my head and a million in the bank, I may choose other means to achieve fulfillment than if I have a roof over my head and $2 in my pocket. The main point that people are dancing around here is whether they feel that a certain technology is worth paying list price for. I’m currently running a 3x9 STI setup with canti brakes, simply because I do not feel that I will get adequate incremental satisfaction per dollar by going with disks and Di2. However, if there was another zero on all of my bank balances, I might give it a try. What makes Lou happy is overkill for Frank. Chalo and Jay are on different paths to enlightenment, but it doesn’t mean that their personal choices don’t get them where they wanna go. Now, I personally believe that there is excessive marketing going on and that a lot of new stuff is being sold simply because “we can’t sell you something that you already own”. I also think that at the bleeding edge, the incremental cost of innovation is pretty darn high, but without early adopters, there’s nobody subsidizing the more affordable mass market products. +1, with the addition of my usual comment: We should be able to discuss the benefits and detriments of each marketed "advancement." With, of course the caveat that “the benefits and detriments are not constant across all users”. Yeah, I know, that’s a little hard for engineers to swallow, but if I can do it, so can you. Sure. I already agreed to that above. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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