colors

"dreaded" wrote in message ...

i dont care what people think when im riding.

Ouch!

OK, you need help.
You've dropped the ball, lost the way.

It's in my good upbringing that causes me to look so good
on the bike, but with some effort on your part and a major
makeover you too could look a bit better out there.

I've spent a lot of time in this NG over the last three years
counselling types like you on how to take that next big step
and work on your kit and gear.

It's up to you, you need to find the motivation to start looking
like a roadie and not a FRED.

By the way, I just got back from a retro ride in my Vestisport /
Santini kit. NICE!

"Fabrizio Mazzoleni" wrote in message
news:XSaWc.190699$gE.110860@pd7tw3no...

"dreaded" wrote in message
...

i dont care what people think when im riding.

Ouch!

OK, you need help.
You've dropped the ball, lost the way.

It's in my good upbringing that causes me to look so good
on the bike, but with some effort on your part and a major
makeover you too could look a bit better out there.

I've spent a lot of time in this NG over the last three years
counselling types like you on how to take that next big step
and work on your kit and gear.

It's up to you, you need to find the motivation to start looking
like a roadie and not a FRED.

By the way, I just got back from a retro ride in my Vestisport /
Santini kit. NICE!



OK. thanks Fabrizio. maybe you can loan me some dough for some new duds? or
maybe i can be on the OLN version of queer eye for the straight (bicycle)
guy!
-fred

"dreaded" wrote in message ...

OK. thanks Fabrizio. maybe you can loan me some dough for some new duds? or
maybe i can be on the OLN version of queer eye for the straight (bicycle)
guy!

Any good amateur rider has at least two credit cards
maxed out and a line of credit constantly between
$12,000 to $16,000.

Go for it - Just do it.

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:42:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

dreaded wrote:

"Bill Baka" wrote ...
And no damn lycra.
Bill Baka
-snip

my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that
sounds
to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is
better
than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care
what
people think when im riding.

I agree that prejudice against riders in lycra is as senseless as
prejudice against riders in blue jeans.

I'll also agree that lycra _works_. In my experience, blue jeans, baggy
shorts, or dress pants are nowhere near as comfortable on long rides.
I've used them all on occasion, and I always commute in the clothes I'll
wear at the office. But that's just 7 miles each way. If it were 20,
I'd be in lycra.

Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish there
were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there by
bike.

I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts I've
tried.

I am not really ragging on Lycra, just that it is so damned bright.
Levis do tend to get raw after 60 or more miles, but at least I wear
cutoffs so I don't get so sweaty. Small tight and breathable t shirt too.
Bill baka


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"Bill Baka" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:42:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

dreaded wrote:

"Bill Baka" wrote ...
And no damn lycra.
Bill Baka
-snip

my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that
sounds
to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is
better
than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care
what
people think when im riding.

I agree that prejudice against riders in lycra is as senseless as
prejudice against riders in blue jeans.

I'll also agree that lycra _works_. In my experience, blue jeans, baggy
shorts, or dress pants are nowhere near as comfortable on long rides.
I've used them all on occasion, and I always commute in the clothes I'll
wear at the office. But that's just 7 miles each way. If it were 20,
I'd be in lycra.

Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish there
were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there by
bike.

I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts I've
tried.

I am not really ragging on Lycra, just that it is so damned bright.
Levis do tend to get raw after 60 or more miles, but at least I wear
cutoffs so I don't get so sweaty. Small tight and breathable t shirt too.
Bill baka


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ya i dont mean to overreact but have had to deal with lots of situations re
"colors" in so. cal when i was younger (and occasionally up here in western
wa) --
-alan

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x x

(~)

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:04:11 -0700, dreaded wrote:




"Bill Baka" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:42:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

dreaded wrote:

"Bill Baka" wrote ...
And no damn lycra.
Bill Baka
-snip

my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that
sounds
to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is
better
than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care
what
people think when im riding.

I agree that prejudice against riders in lycra is as senseless as
prejudice against riders in blue jeans.

I'll also agree that lycra _works_. In my experience, blue jeans,
baggy
shorts, or dress pants are nowhere near as comfortable on long rides.
I've used them all on occasion, and I always commute in the clothes
I'll
wear at the office. But that's just 7 miles each way. If it were 20,
I'd be in lycra.

Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish
there
were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there
by
bike.

I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts
I've
tried.

I am not really ragging on Lycra, just that it is so damned bright.
Levis do tend to get raw after 60 or more miles, but at least I wear
cutoffs so I don't get so sweaty. Small tight and breathable t shirt
too.
Bill baka


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ya i dont mean to overreact but have had to deal with lots of situations
re
"colors" in so. cal when i was younger (and occasionally up here in
western
wa) --
-alan

"""""
x x

(~)


Alan,
This is totally off topic (Lycra) but I was prospecting for the Gypsy
Jokers
in 1966 (Motorcycles, not pedal pushers) and the Hells Angels would single
out anybody wearing those colors for a severe beating if not termination.
Angels won it and any remaining Jokers hung up their colors. The not so
good old days.
Back to Lycra now. I am going out this morning at first light, in a few
minutes
to try a century in my good old cut offs. Why, because I am going hiking
too,
back to my private waterfall in the woods. I may put up a few pictures on
my website for this one.
Cheers,
Bill Baka


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dreaded wrote:
"Pete" wrote in message
...

"Frank Krygowski" wrote


Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish there
were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
less abnormal.

Advertising/brand recognition. Just like Hilfiger/Nike/Boss/Timberland/et
al, they would like us to be walking billboards for their products.

And for a lot of people, it works...

Pete




this is so true and personally i dont like those jerseys that have stuff
scribbled all over them, just a solid bright color will do. i think the
brands we see everywhere from billboards to clothing is a form of pollution
(like visual noise).

I've got a son who'd agree with you on that. He utterly and absolutely
refuses to wear anything with a logo on it, jerseys included. For him
it's part of a teenage absolutist thing, I think. He's still in that
stage where he's sure everything he's sure about is absolutely correct
(and everybody else is wrong). *snicker* He's a good kid though; he'll
grow out of it, sooner or later.

-km

--
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proud to be owned by a yorkie
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Bill Baka wrote:
I am not really ragging on Lycra, just that it is so damned bright.
Levis do tend to get raw after 60 or more miles, but at least I wear
cutoffs so I don't get so sweaty. Small tight and breathable t shirt too.

Yeah, but don't you ever ride in situations where you WANT to be seen?
I like to wear brightly colored tee shirts for the visibility. When
it's nasty, I don my neon pink rain jacket. I just really want to be so
visible that the motorists have no excuses.

-km

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proud to be owned by a yorkie
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Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:28:39 GMT, XSaWc.190699$gE.110860@pd7tw3no,
the Artist aka "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" wrote:

By the way, I just got back from a retro ride in my Vestisport /
Santini kit. NICE!

Was that you?

Sheeesh, It looked to me like Value Village had a team.
--
zk

"the black rose" wrote in message
...
dreaded wrote:
"Pete" wrote in message
...

"Frank Krygowski" wrote


Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted befo I wish
there
were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
less abnormal.

Advertising/brand recognition. Just like
Hilfiger/Nike/Boss/Timberland/et
al, they would like us to be walking billboards for their products.

And for a lot of people, it works...

Pete




this is so true and personally i dont like those jerseys that have stuff
scribbled all over them, just a solid bright color will do. i think the
brands we see everywhere from billboards to clothing is a form of
pollution
(like visual noise).

I've got a son who'd agree with you on that. He utterly and absolutely
refuses to wear anything with a logo on it, jerseys included. For him
it's part of a teenage absolutist thing, I think. He's still in that
stage where he's sure everything he's sure about is absolutely correct
(and everybody else is wrong). *snicker* He's a good kid though; he'll
grow out of it, sooner or later.

-km

--
the black rose
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

....maybe not. i never did

--
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x x

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