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Surely the dumbest thing ever written. The reason Guy Chapman does not wear a helmet is because he does not want to muss his hair. He is like a woman that way and about on the same level of intelligence. Women are not known for their large brains and neither is Guy Chapman. And this is what helmet legislationists are always reduced to in the end:simple insults and ''s'obviusinit''. You weren't known in a former incarnation as Sorcerer were you, some of your arguments are most entertaining, but strangely familiar. viz: Two wheeled transport should be outlawed. It's obsolete, and maybe if they were forced to get normal lives, they'd lose their sexual perversions. I hate them, it's true. I pray to Jesus to help me with my patience, with my Road Rage, try to be more humane. But damn do they **** me off!!!!!!!!!!! |
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There is empirical evidence... in my case, when I fell off my motorcycle, I
distinctly remember 3 thumps as I rolled down the road. It was my head hitting the road.... my only injury was a broken clavicle..... my helmeted head was in fine shape, not even headache... I have also heard on several occasions, "I would have been killed if I wasn't wearing my helmet". Actually, the name Gary Busey comes to mind. Otherwise, this is one of the dumbest discussions I've run into in a long time.... .. Arne, USA .. When you've quite finished missing the point, here it is again: I know of no credible evidence that they prevent serious injuries or death. And I have looked. So which study do you think provides the missing evidence? Cite it please. |
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Edward Dolan Wrote: Sorry Ken, but I sure don't agree with you about that. People have to be protected from their own stupidity - and that is the job of government. I would pass laws requiring helmet use by cyclists and motorcyclists and anyone who didn't agree with me could spend the rest of their life in jail contemplating the error of their ways. This would have the added benefit of keeping them off our roads and highways and thereby not incurring any health care for their inevitable accidents. -- Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota So... Since far more individuals far prey to "HEAD INJURIES" via baths and showers (a statistical fact) than cycling, it seems only logical (Ed's logic) to apply the same legal requirement(s) in everyone's bathroom. (Right Ed?) The after-effects of such, would no doubt produce the same *unhealthful* results as the helmet requirement in australia did. -- PaPa |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:25:22 -0600, "Edward Dolan"
wrote: Guy most likely does not want to wear a helmet because it will muss up his hair. I must take exception to this statement. Guy doesn't want to wear a helmet because his head is already surrounded by his own bony pelvis, which is protection enough in its own right and suffices well for his purposes. |
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Edward Dolan Wrote: Sorry Ken, but I sure don't agree with you about that. People have to be protected from their own stupidity - and that is the job of government. I would pass laws requiring helmet use by cyclists and motorcyclists and anyone who didn't agree with me could spend the rest of their life in jail contemplating the error of their ways. This would have the added benefit of keeping them off our roads and highways and thereby not incurring any health care for their inevitable accidents. -- Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota So... Since far more individuals fall prey to "HEAD INJURIES" via baths and showers (a statistical fact) than cycling, it seems only logical (Ed's logic) to apply the same legal requirement(s) to every American's personal hygiene (Right Ed?) The after-effects of such, would no doubt produce the same *unhealthful* results as the helmet requirement in australia did. -- PaPa |
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"DiscoDuck" wrote in message om... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... How many helmet studies have you actually read, Ed? None, nor do I plan to. Why reinvent the wheel? Bike helmets are necessary for the same reason that motorcycle helmets are necessary and for the same reason that race car drivers also wear helmets. It protects the old noggin in the event of an accident. Then you oviously advocate helmets for motorists, right? Motorists have a heavy metal shield surrounding them whereas cyclists, motorcyclists and race car drivers don't. Next question! -- Regards, Ed Dolan the Wise - Minnesota |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:37:44 -0600, "Edward Dolan" wrote in message : I do not care if you and Guy want to get yourselves killed because you do not want to wear helmets. But I do object most strongly to having to bear the expense of your health care if and when you have an accident because you were not wearing a helmet. So which study do you think shows that helmets prevent death or serious brain injury? Cite it. The manufacturers would love to see it, they don't think helmets do that. You also need to read Curnow on the mechanisms of brain injury. So why is the entire world, except for Guy Chapman and DiscoDuck, wearing helmets? Is this some kind of vast right wing conspiracy? -- Regards, Ed Dolan the Conspirator - Minnesota |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:51:46 -0600, "Edward Dolan" wrote in message : Here is a simple fact for you: helmets are not designed for, and have no proven efficacy in, impacts with motor vehicles. Neither the manufacturers nor the standards support the idea. Honestly. So then, the only reason not to be wearing a helmet is in the event you impact a motor vehicle. No, there are lots of reasons to wear or not to wear a helmet. The major reason advanced by helmet proponents, especially compulsionists, is the prevention of serious injuries, among which road traffic injuries dominate. There is no credible evidence to suggest that helmets have any measurable effect on serious injuries, whether involving motor vehicles or not. Here is your own answer from your above statement: "The major reason advanced by helmet proponents, especially compulsionists, is the prevention of serious injuries, among which road traffic injuries dominate." However, considering there are a thousand and one other ways you can hurt your noggin riding a bike, I guess will continue to wear a helmet despite your very profound ignorance on these matters. I have a suspicion it is you who are ignorant. Which figure for efficacy do you believe, and from what source? I almost certainly have the original source in my database and if I don't I will be able to get it probably within 48 hours, so I'd be happy to debate the detail. Which figure? There are plenty to choose from, ranging from -40% to +186%. Helmets probably prevent a large proportion of trivial injuries, but I know of no credible evidence that they prevent serious injuries or death. ... Surely the dumbest thing ever written. The reason Guy Chapman does not wear a helmet is because he does not want to muss his hair. When you've quite finished missing the point, here it is again: I know of no credible evidence that they prevent serious injuries or death. And I have looked. So which study do you think provides the missing evidence? Cite it please. The point is that helmets will prevent injuries, some more serious than others and others less so. Any study that says otherwise is flawed and was mostly likely done by idiots who do not want to wear helmets for one reason or another. I believe the motorcycle crowd have their own version of this particular delusion also. I know some of those guys and they are all without exception total idiots. Oh, and you are also making a fundamental error in your base assumption regarding my helmet use. Hardly a surprise, it's much easier to fight straw men than the real thing. If you could ever follow anyone else's thinking other than your own, you would know by now that it is time to tell the world why you do not like to wear a helmet. Jeez! Talking to you is like talking to a 5 year old kid. -- Regards, Ed Dolan the Helmet Man - Minnesota |
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"Terry" wrote in message om... Edward Dolan wrote: Surely the dumbest thing ever written. The reason Guy Chapman does not wear a helmet is because he does not want to muss his hair. He is like a woman that way and about on the same level of intelligence. Women are not known for their large brains and neither is Guy Chapman. And this is what helmet legislationists are always reduced to in the end:simple insults and ''s'obviusinit''. You weren't known in a former incarnation as Sorcerer were you, some of your arguments are most entertaining, but strangely familiar. viz: Two wheeled transport should be outlawed. It's obsolete, and maybe if they were forced to get normal lives, they'd lose their sexual perversions. I hate them, it's true. I pray to Jesus to help me with my patience, with my Road Rage, try to be more humane. But damn do they **** me off!!!!!!!!!!! The Sorcerer is a man after my own heart. I find I no longer have any patience with my fellow man. Instruction and education is a waste of time because we are essentially dealing with nothing but naked (hairless) apes. Evolution stopped short of creating Homo Sapiens and instead left us Homo Stupiens. I am like the man who is constantly pointing out that the king has no clothes on. Women of course have their own strong points when it comes to intelligence, but it is not the same as a man's intelligence. Women also have very many other virtues which men are totally bereft of, but that is another message for another thread. -- Regards, Ed Dolan the Man - Minnesota |
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"G. Morgan" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:40:16 -0600 "Edward Dolan" used 31 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent Sorry Ken, but I sure don't agree with you about that. People have to be protected from their own stupidity - and that is the job of government. I would pass laws requiring helmet use by cyclists and motorcyclists and anyone who didn't agree with me could spend the rest of their life in jail contemplating the error of their ways. This would have the added benefit of keeping them off our roads and highways and thereby not incurring any health care for their inevitable accidents. So you're saying it's better to pay for their health care in jail? Every society is going to have those who are basically just criminals. The main thing I want is that they be kept away from society, even if it means we have to take care of them while they are in prison. Hey Ed, what do you think about prisoners with life sentences getting heart transplants paid for by you and I? I would not get a heart transplant even for myself, even if I could afford it. It think when the old ticker is gone, then you are gone. Time to die and make some room on the earth for the young. -- Regards, Ed Dolan the Undead - Minnesota |
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