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Old September 23rd 20, 11:33 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Exclusive: Brits on bikes as fitness app data shows pandemic boom

LONDON (Reuters) - Active travel is booming in Britain as millions of
commuters, shoppers and schoolchildren get on their bikes to avoid
confined spaces on public transport during the COVID-19 pandemic, data
from the fitness tracker app Strava showed on Wednesday.

The city of Liverpool saw the greatest year-on-year rise in cycling,
with an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one trip
by bike.

The UK data, seen exclusively by Reuters, also showed the peak of
Britain’s cycling popularity growth surge came in May 2020, coinciding
with the height of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions across Britain.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sp...-idUKKCN26D35C
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Old September 23rd 20, 01:47 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Exclusive: Brits on bikes as fitness app data shows pandemic boom

On 23/09/2020 11:33, Bod wrote:
LONDON (Reuters) - Active travel is booming in Britain as millions of
commuters, shoppers and schoolchildren get on their bikes to avoid
confined spaces on public transport during the COVID-19 pandemic, data
from the fitness tracker app Strava showed on Wednesday.

The city of Liverpool saw the greatest year-on-year rise in cycling,
with an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one trip
by bike.


The current sheer risk of travelling by bus (Liverpool has no suburban
rail network to speak of*) is surely enough to persuade people to
consider all the alternatives.

I bet you there has been a large percentage increase in car journeys and
(short-ish) journeys on foot too.

The safest modes are driving/motorcycling, cycling and walking.

But... "an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one
trip by bike"...

What does it even mean?

"Here, let me have a go of your bike, just down to the roundabout and
back, to see what it's like..." then "Well, I got there, but I won't be
doing it again" would count as part of the claimed 220%, wouldn't it?

The UK data, seen exclusively by Reuters, also showed the peak of
Britain’s cycling popularity growth surge came in May 2020, coinciding
with the height of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions across Britain.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sp...-idUKKCN26D35C


How anyone has the confidence to travel on a bus or an Underground train
is a mystery.

Perhaps some of them think they're immortal.

[* There are some suburban stations on the short-haul railway lines, but
not many and apart from the river-crossing lines and the line in from
Southport through the coastal stations, hardly anyone uses trains. That
applies particularly to people living within the city boundaries.]

  #3  
Old September 23rd 20, 06:26 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Exclusive: Brits on bikes as fitness app data shows pandemic boom

On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 11:33:45 AM UTC+1, Bod wrote:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a4554436.html
  #4  
Old September 23rd 20, 09:26 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Exclusive: Brits on bikes as fitness app data shows pandemic boom

On Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 13:45:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2020 11:33, Bod wrote:
LONDON (Reuters) - Active travel is booming in Britain as millions of
commuters, shoppers and schoolchildren get on their bikes to avoid
confined spaces on public transport during the COVID-19 pandemic, data
from the fitness tracker app Strava showed on Wednesday.

The city of Liverpool saw the greatest year-on-year rise in cycling,
with an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one trip
by bike.

The current sheer risk of travelling by bus (Liverpool has no suburban
rail network to speak of*) is surely enough to persuade people to
consider all the alternatives.

I bet you there has been a large percentage increase in car journeys and
(short-ish) journeys on foot too.

The safest modes are driving/motorcycling, cycling and walking.

But... "an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one
trip by bike"...

What does it even mean?

"Here, let me have a go of your bike, just down to the roundabout and
back, to see what it's like..." then "Well, I got there, but I won't be
doing it again" would count as part of the claimed 220%, wouldn't it?
The UK data, seen exclusively by Reuters, also showed the peak of
Britain’s cycling popularity growth surge came in May 2020, coinciding
with the height of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions across Britain.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sp...-idUKKCN26D35C

How anyone has the confidence to travel on a bus or an Underground train
is a mystery.

Perhaps some of them think they're immortal.

[* There are some suburban stations on the short-haul railway lines, but
not many and apart from the river-crossing lines and the line in from
Southport through the coastal stations, hardly anyone uses trains. That
applies particularly to people living within the city boundaries.]


Is that because Liverpool Central is the busiest underground station in the UK and the 3rd overall busiest station?

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Old September 24th 20, 11:00 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Default Exclusive: Brits on bikes as fitness app data shows pandemic boom

On 23/09/2020 21:26, Mike Collins wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 13:45:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2020 11:33, Bod wrote:
LONDON (Reuters) - Active travel is booming in Britain as millions of
commuters, shoppers and schoolchildren get on their bikes to avoid
confined spaces on public transport during the COVID-19 pandemic, data
from the fitness tracker app Strava showed on Wednesday.

The city of Liverpool saw the greatest year-on-year rise in cycling,
with an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one trip
by bike.

The current sheer risk of travelling by bus (Liverpool has no suburban
rail network to speak of*) is surely enough to persuade people to
consider all the alternatives.

I bet you there has been a large percentage increase in car journeys and
(short-ish) journeys on foot too.

The safest modes are driving/motorcycling, cycling and walking.

But... "an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one
trip by bike"...

What does it even mean?

"Here, let me have a go of your bike, just down to the roundabout and
back, to see what it's like..." then "Well, I got there, but I won't be
doing it again" would count as part of the claimed 220%, wouldn't it?
The UK data, seen exclusively by Reuters, also showed the peak of
Britain’s cycling popularity growth surge came in May 2020, coinciding
with the height of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions across Britain.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sp...-idUKKCN26D35C

How anyone has the confidence to travel on a bus or an Underground train
is a mystery.

Perhaps some of them think they're immortal.

[* There are some suburban stations on the short-haul railway lines, but
not many and apart from the river-crossing lines and the line in from
Southport through the coastal stations, hardly anyone uses trains. That
applies particularly to people living within the city boundaries.]


Is that because Liverpool Central is the busiest underground station in the UK and the 3rd overall busiest station?


No, it isn't, because it isn't.

Have you ever travelled to or from it? When I lived in Wirral for a
while, I used that station six days a week.

Although it provides nowadays provides links via an underground loop
line to two other city centre station termini (to the extent that
Exchange Station can be said to still exist), these almost exclusively
link to destinations some way beyond the city boundary, especially to
the north (where the city boundary is little more than three miles away)
and the east (where it is only about five miles away).

The city extends somewhat further to the south-east than to the north or
east, so there are a few stations within the city out in that direction,
but the majority of travel is from the termini to places some way beyond
the city boundary (and to the west, the city boundary is half-way
across, or under, the river).

On the question of the claim about its position in the underground
station hierarchy, could Liverpool Central possibly be a busier
underground station than (say) London Victoria on the Victoria Line,
District Line and Circle Line - so busy that at rush hour, access to the
platforms is routinely blocked for safety ?

And busier than King's Cross / St Pancras with its ninety-eight million
journeys per year? Does Liverpool Central *really* do more than
1,880,000 journeys a week (which would have to be the case for it to be
busier than KC/SP)?

Take a look at:
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/10-busiest-stations-london-underground-17197892

Even the tenth busiest LU station has nearly forty-nine million journeys
a year (nearly a million a week).

Wikipedia has several interesting things to say about Central Station.

One is that it has 5,217,547 "journeys per platform" per year, which is
an oddly-phrased claim, especially when considered against King's Cross
/ St Pancras and its nearly one hundred million journeys per annum.

Of what validity is the real (and much smaller) number, quoted as circa
14.6 million pa, measured against a spurious figure such as the number
of platforms? KC/SP handles nearly seven times as many journeys.

Liverpool's daily railway use (as opposed to inter-city journeys) is
nothing like as significant as a non-credible claim such as "busiest
underground station in the UK" would have one believe. Most people
travel by car or bus. Very few city residents travel around by train.
One reason for that is clearly given on the same Wikipedia page, which says:

QUOTE:
Both lines on the Merseyrail network, the Northern Line and the Wirral
Line, serve the station.

On the Northern Line, off-peak service level is as follows:

4 trains per hour to Southport
4 trains per hour to Ormskirk
4 trains per hour to Kirkby
4 trains per hour to Hunts Cross via Liverpool South Parkway

[ ... ]

On the Wirral Line, off-peak service level is as follows:

4 trains per hour to New Brighton
4 trains per hour to West Kirby
4 trains per hour to Chester
2 trains per hour to Ellesmere Port
There are also extra services between Liverpool Central and Hooton
during peak times.
ENDQUOTE

Southport, Ormskirk, Kirkby, New Brighton, West Kirby, Chester, Hooton
and Ellesmere Port are, as I am sure you will be aware, some way outside
the city (Kirkby is the nearest, but even that is several miles beyond
the boundary).

The only stations in that list which are within the city are Hunts Cross
and South Parkway. Intermediate stations (there are a few within the
boundaries) are not well used.

It is, however, true that there is significant commuter rail traffic
from the direction of Southport and under the river from the Wirral
stations, but not from residential area of the city itself.

In all the years I lived in Liverpool and nearby, I never had a single
social contact who lived in the city and travelled regularly by train.
Not one. If you asked someone whether they would use a train to get to
the city-centre, you would get a blank look and be asked how that would
be possible when there wasn't a station anywhere near their home.
Rail-commuting is for Sandgrounders and those resident in The Debtors'
Retreat.

  #6  
Old September 24th 20, 03:06 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Exclusive: Brits on bikes as fitness app data shows pandemic boom

On Thursday, 24 September 2020 at 10:58:26 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2020 21:26, Mike Collins wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 13:45:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2020 11:33, Bod wrote:
LONDON (Reuters) - Active travel is booming in Britain as millions of
commuters, shoppers and schoolchildren get on their bikes to avoid
confined spaces on public transport during the COVID-19 pandemic, data
from the fitness tracker app Strava showed on Wednesday.

The city of Liverpool saw the greatest year-on-year rise in cycling,
with an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one trip
by bike.
The current sheer risk of travelling by bus (Liverpool has no suburban
rail network to speak of*) is surely enough to persuade people to
consider all the alternatives.

I bet you there has been a large percentage increase in car journeys and
(short-ish) journeys on foot too.

The safest modes are driving/motorcycling, cycling and walking.

But... "an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one
trip by bike"...

What does it even mean?

"Here, let me have a go of your bike, just down to the roundabout and
back, to see what it's like..." then "Well, I got there, but I won't be
doing it again" would count as part of the claimed 220%, wouldn't it?
The UK data, seen exclusively by Reuters, also showed the peak of
Britain’s cycling popularity growth surge came in May 2020, coinciding
with the height of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions across Britain.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sp...-idUKKCN26D35C
How anyone has the confidence to travel on a bus or an Underground train
is a mystery.

Perhaps some of them think they're immortal.

[* There are some suburban stations on the short-haul railway lines, but
not many and apart from the river-crossing lines and the line in from
Southport through the coastal stations, hardly anyone uses trains. That
applies particularly to people living within the city boundaries.]


Is that because Liverpool Central is the busiest underground station in the UK and the 3rd overall busiest station?

No, it isn't, because it isn't.

Have you ever travelled to or from it? When I lived in Wirral for a
while, I used that station six days a week.

Although it provides nowadays provides links via an underground loop
line to two other city centre station termini (to the extent that
Exchange Station can be said to still exist), these almost exclusively
link to destinations some way beyond the city boundary, especially to
the north (where the city boundary is little more than three miles away)
and the east (where it is only about five miles away).

The city extends somewhat further to the south-east than to the north or
east, so there are a few stations within the city out in that direction,
but the majority of travel is from the termini to places some way beyond
the city boundary (and to the west, the city boundary is half-way
across, or under, the river).

On the question of the claim about its position in the underground
station hierarchy, could Liverpool Central possibly be a busier
underground station than (say) London Victoria on the Victoria Line,
District Line and Circle Line - so busy that at rush hour, access to the
platforms is routinely blocked for safety ?

And busier than King's Cross / St Pancras with its ninety-eight million
journeys per year? Does Liverpool Central *really* do more than
1,880,000 journeys a week (which would have to be the case for it to be
busier than KC/SP)?

Take a look at:
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/10-busiest-stations-london-underground-17197892

Even the tenth busiest LU station has nearly forty-nine million journeys
a year (nearly a million a week).

Wikipedia has several interesting things to say about Central Station.

One is that it has 5,217,547 "journeys per platform" per year, which is
an oddly-phrased claim, especially when considered against King's Cross
/ St Pancras and its nearly one hundred million journeys per annum.

Of what validity is the real (and much smaller) number, quoted as circa
14.6 million pa, measured against a spurious figure such as the number
of platforms? KC/SP handles nearly seven times as many journeys.

Liverpool's daily railway use (as opposed to inter-city journeys) is
nothing like as significant as a non-credible claim such as "busiest
underground station in the UK" would have one believe. Most people
travel by car or bus. Very few city residents travel around by train.
One reason for that is clearly given on the same Wikipedia page, which says:

QUOTE:
Both lines on the Merseyrail network, the Northern Line and the Wirral
Line, serve the station.

On the Northern Line, off-peak service level is as follows:

4 trains per hour to Southport
4 trains per hour to Ormskirk
4 trains per hour to Kirkby
4 trains per hour to Hunts Cross via Liverpool South Parkway

[ ... ]

On the Wirral Line, off-peak service level is as follows:

4 trains per hour to New Brighton
4 trains per hour to West Kirby
4 trains per hour to Chester
2 trains per hour to Ellesmere Port
There are also extra services between Liverpool Central and Hooton
during peak times.
ENDQUOTE

Southport, Ormskirk, Kirkby, New Brighton, West Kirby, Chester, Hooton
and Ellesmere Port are, as I am sure you will be aware, some way outside
the city (Kirkby is the nearest, but even that is several miles beyond
the boundary).

The only stations in that list which are within the city are Hunts Cross
and South Parkway. Intermediate stations (there are a few within the
boundaries) are not well used.

It is, however, true that there is significant commuter rail traffic
from the direction of Southport and under the river from the Wirral
stations, but not from residential area of the city itself.

In all the years I lived in Liverpool and nearby, I never had a single
social contact who lived in the city and travelled regularly by train.
Not one. If you asked someone whether they would use a train to get to
the city-centre, you would get a blank look and be asked how that would
be possible when there wasn't a station anywhere near their home.
Rail-commuting is for Sandgrounders and those resident in The Debtors'
Retreat.


At least I made you do your own research for a change.
This can only be a good thing even if your conclusions are wrong.
Liverpool central is the busiest underground station in the UK for passengers per platform.
It should be obvious, even to something from Liverpool, the more platforms you have the more passengers you have.
When I lived on the Wirral I used Lime St in the morning and Central in the evening.

  #7  
Old September 24th 20, 04:22 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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Default Exclusive: Brits on bikes as fitness app data shows pandemic boom

On 24/09/2020 15:06, Mike Collins wrote:
On Thursday, 24 September 2020 at 10:58:26 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2020 21:26, Mike Collins wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 13:45:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2020 11:33, Bod wrote:
LONDON (Reuters) - Active travel is booming in Britain as millions of
commuters, shoppers and schoolchildren get on their bikes to avoid
confined spaces on public transport during the COVID-19 pandemic, data
from the fitness tracker app Strava showed on Wednesday.

The city of Liverpool saw the greatest year-on-year rise in cycling,
with an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one trip
by bike.
The current sheer risk of travelling by bus (Liverpool has no suburban
rail network to speak of*) is surely enough to persuade people to
consider all the alternatives.

I bet you there has been a large percentage increase in car journeys and
(short-ish) journeys on foot too.

The safest modes are driving/motorcycling, cycling and walking.

But... "an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one
trip by bike"...

What does it even mean?

"Here, let me have a go of your bike, just down to the roundabout and
back, to see what it's like..." then "Well, I got there, but I won't be
doing it again" would count as part of the claimed 220%, wouldn't it?
The UK data, seen exclusively by Reuters, also showed the peak of
Britain’s cycling popularity growth surge came in May 2020, coinciding
with the height of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions across Britain.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sp...-idUKKCN26D35C
How anyone has the confidence to travel on a bus or an Underground train
is a mystery.

Perhaps some of them think they're immortal.

[* There are some suburban stations on the short-haul railway lines, but
not many and apart from the river-crossing lines and the line in from
Southport through the coastal stations, hardly anyone uses trains. That
applies particularly to people living within the city boundaries.]

Is that because Liverpool Central is the busiest underground station in the UK and the 3rd overall busiest station?

No, it isn't, because it isn't.

Have you ever travelled to or from it? When I lived in Wirral for a
while, I used that station six days a week.

Although it provides nowadays provides links via an underground loop
line to two other city centre station termini (to the extent that
Exchange Station can be said to still exist), these almost exclusively
link to destinations some way beyond the city boundary, especially to
the north (where the city boundary is little more than three miles away)
and the east (where it is only about five miles away).

The city extends somewhat further to the south-east than to the north or
east, so there are a few stations within the city out in that direction,
but the majority of travel is from the termini to places some way beyond
the city boundary (and to the west, the city boundary is half-way
across, or under, the river).

On the question of the claim about its position in the underground
station hierarchy, could Liverpool Central possibly be a busier
underground station than (say) London Victoria on the Victoria Line,
District Line and Circle Line - so busy that at rush hour, access to the
platforms is routinely blocked for safety ?

And busier than King's Cross / St Pancras with its ninety-eight million
journeys per year? Does Liverpool Central *really* do more than
1,880,000 journeys a week (which would have to be the case for it to be
busier than KC/SP)?

Take a look at:
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/10-busiest-stations-london-underground-17197892

Even the tenth busiest LU station has nearly forty-nine million journeys
a year (nearly a million a week).

Wikipedia has several interesting things to say about Central Station.

One is that it has 5,217,547 "journeys per platform" per year, which is
an oddly-phrased claim, especially when considered against King's Cross
/ St Pancras and its nearly one hundred million journeys per annum.

Of what validity is the real (and much smaller) number, quoted as circa
14.6 million pa, measured against a spurious figure such as the number
of platforms? KC/SP handles nearly seven times as many journeys.

Liverpool's daily railway use (as opposed to inter-city journeys) is
nothing like as significant as a non-credible claim such as "busiest
underground station in the UK" would have one believe. Most people
travel by car or bus. Very few city residents travel around by train.
One reason for that is clearly given on the same Wikipedia page, which says:

QUOTE:
Both lines on the Merseyrail network, the Northern Line and the Wirral
Line, serve the station.

On the Northern Line, off-peak service level is as follows:

4 trains per hour to Southport
4 trains per hour to Ormskirk
4 trains per hour to Kirkby
4 trains per hour to Hunts Cross via Liverpool South Parkway

[ ... ]

On the Wirral Line, off-peak service level is as follows:

4 trains per hour to New Brighton
4 trains per hour to West Kirby
4 trains per hour to Chester
2 trains per hour to Ellesmere Port
There are also extra services between Liverpool Central and Hooton
during peak times.
ENDQUOTE

Southport, Ormskirk, Kirkby, New Brighton, West Kirby, Chester, Hooton
and Ellesmere Port are, as I am sure you will be aware, some way outside
the city (Kirkby is the nearest, but even that is several miles beyond
the boundary).

The only stations in that list which are within the city are Hunts Cross
and South Parkway. Intermediate stations (there are a few within the
boundaries) are not well used.

It is, however, true that there is significant commuter rail traffic
from the direction of Southport and under the river from the Wirral
stations, but not from residential area of the city itself.

In all the years I lived in Liverpool and nearby, I never had a single
social contact who lived in the city and travelled regularly by train.
Not one. If you asked someone whether they would use a train to get to
the city-centre, you would get a blank look and be asked how that would
be possible when there wasn't a station anywhere near their home.
Rail-commuting is for Sandgrounders and those resident in The Debtors'
Retreat.


At least I made you do your own research for a change.
This can only be a good thing even if your conclusions are wrong.
Liverpool central is the busiest underground station in the UK for passengers per platform.


"Per platform" is an entirely spurious metric.

I'd love Liverpool to *hold* a record of that sort, but it doesn't.
KC/SP with nearly a hundred million trips a year... that would take some
beating.

It should be obvious, even to something from Liverpool, the more platforms you have the more passengers you have.


That does not follow at all.

Baker Street LU Station has ten platforms (compared, for instance, to
Oxford Circus's six) but is not even in the top ten busiest LU stations.
The number of platforms is largely a function of how many underground
lines intersect.

When I lived on the Wirral I used Lime St in the morning and Central in the evening.


That Wirral line (with Liverpool stations at James Street and Central
Stations) has always been a great asset - for the people of the Wirral.
Not so much for the people of Liverpool itself.
  #8  
Old September 24th 20, 05:02 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mike Collins
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Default Exclusive: Brits on bikes as fitness app data shows pandemic boom

On Thursday, 24 September 2020 at 16:21:05 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 24/09/2020 15:06, Mike Collins wrote:
On Thursday, 24 September 2020 at 10:58:26 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2020 21:26, Mike Collins wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 13:45:36 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 23/09/2020 11:33, Bod wrote:
LONDON (Reuters) - Active travel is booming in Britain as millions of
commuters, shoppers and schoolchildren get on their bikes to avoid
confined spaces on public transport during the COVID-19 pandemic, data
from the fitness tracker app Strava showed on Wednesday.

The city of Liverpool saw the greatest year-on-year rise in cycling,
with an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one trip
by bike.
The current sheer risk of travelling by bus (Liverpool has no suburban
rail network to speak of*) is surely enough to persuade people to
consider all the alternatives.

I bet you there has been a large percentage increase in car journeys and
(short-ish) journeys on foot too.

The safest modes are driving/motorcycling, cycling and walking.

But... "an increase of more than 220% for people taking at least one
trip by bike"...

What does it even mean?

"Here, let me have a go of your bike, just down to the roundabout and
back, to see what it's like..." then "Well, I got there, but I won't be
doing it again" would count as part of the claimed 220%, wouldn't it?
The UK data, seen exclusively by Reuters, also showed the peak of
Britain’s cycling popularity growth surge came in May 2020, coinciding
with the height of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions across Britain.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sp...-idUKKCN26D35C
How anyone has the confidence to travel on a bus or an Underground train
is a mystery.

Perhaps some of them think they're immortal.

[* There are some suburban stations on the short-haul railway lines, but
not many and apart from the river-crossing lines and the line in from
Southport through the coastal stations, hardly anyone uses trains. That
applies particularly to people living within the city boundaries.]

Is that because Liverpool Central is the busiest underground station in the UK and the 3rd overall busiest station?
No, it isn't, because it isn't.

Have you ever travelled to or from it? When I lived in Wirral for a
while, I used that station six days a week.

Although it provides nowadays provides links via an underground loop
line to two other city centre station termini (to the extent that
Exchange Station can be said to still exist), these almost exclusively
link to destinations some way beyond the city boundary, especially to
the north (where the city boundary is little more than three miles away)
and the east (where it is only about five miles away).

The city extends somewhat further to the south-east than to the north or
east, so there are a few stations within the city out in that direction,
but the majority of travel is from the termini to places some way beyond
the city boundary (and to the west, the city boundary is half-way
across, or under, the river).

On the question of the claim about its position in the underground
station hierarchy, could Liverpool Central possibly be a busier
underground station than (say) London Victoria on the Victoria Line,
District Line and Circle Line - so busy that at rush hour, access to the
platforms is routinely blocked for safety ?

And busier than King's Cross / St Pancras with its ninety-eight million
journeys per year? Does Liverpool Central *really* do more than
1,880,000 journeys a week (which would have to be the case for it to be
busier than KC/SP)?

Take a look at:
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/10-busiest-stations-london-underground-17197892

Even the tenth busiest LU station has nearly forty-nine million journeys
a year (nearly a million a week).

Wikipedia has several interesting things to say about Central Station.

One is that it has 5,217,547 "journeys per platform" per year, which is
an oddly-phrased claim, especially when considered against King's Cross
/ St Pancras and its nearly one hundred million journeys per annum.

Of what validity is the real (and much smaller) number, quoted as circa
14.6 million pa, measured against a spurious figure such as the number
of platforms? KC/SP handles nearly seven times as many journeys.

Liverpool's daily railway use (as opposed to inter-city journeys) is
nothing like as significant as a non-credible claim such as "busiest
underground station in the UK" would have one believe. Most people
travel by car or bus. Very few city residents travel around by train.
One reason for that is clearly given on the same Wikipedia page, which says:

QUOTE:
Both lines on the Merseyrail network, the Northern Line and the Wirral
Line, serve the station.

On the Northern Line, off-peak service level is as follows:

4 trains per hour to Southport
4 trains per hour to Ormskirk
4 trains per hour to Kirkby
4 trains per hour to Hunts Cross via Liverpool South Parkway

[ ... ]

On the Wirral Line, off-peak service level is as follows:

4 trains per hour to New Brighton
4 trains per hour to West Kirby
4 trains per hour to Chester
2 trains per hour to Ellesmere Port
There are also extra services between Liverpool Central and Hooton
during peak times.
ENDQUOTE

Southport, Ormskirk, Kirkby, New Brighton, West Kirby, Chester, Hooton
and Ellesmere Port are, as I am sure you will be aware, some way outside
the city (Kirkby is the nearest, but even that is several miles beyond
the boundary).

The only stations in that list which are within the city are Hunts Cross
and South Parkway. Intermediate stations (there are a few within the
boundaries) are not well used.

It is, however, true that there is significant commuter rail traffic
from the direction of Southport and under the river from the Wirral
stations, but not from residential area of the city itself.

In all the years I lived in Liverpool and nearby, I never had a single
social contact who lived in the city and travelled regularly by train.
Not one. If you asked someone whether they would use a train to get to
the city-centre, you would get a blank look and be asked how that would
be possible when there wasn't a station anywhere near their home.
Rail-commuting is for Sandgrounders and those resident in The Debtors'
Retreat.


At least I made you do your own research for a change.
This can only be a good thing even if your conclusions are wrong.
Liverpool central is the busiest underground station in the UK for passengers per platform.

"Per platform" is an entirely spurious metric.


Heathrow is the busiest international airport but more passengers pass through LAX.


I'd love Liverpool to *hold* a record


Liverpool holds many records:-
- Most thieves per square mile
- Lowest intelligence per square mile
- Lowest tax paid per square mile
- Most benefits claimed per square mile
- Most BO per square mile

of that sort, but it doesn't.
KC/SP with nearly a hundred million trips a year... that would take some
beating.
It should be obvious, even to something from Liverpool, the more platforms you have the more passengers you have.

That does not follow at all.

Baker Street LU Station has ten platforms (compared, for instance, to
Oxford Circus's six) but is not even in the top ten busiest LU stations.
The number of platforms is largely a function of how many underground
lines intersect.
When I lived on the Wirral I used Lime St in the morning and Central in the evening.

That Wirral line (with Liverpool stations at James Street and Central
Stations) has always been a great asset - for the people of the Wirral.
Not so much for the people of Liverpool itself.


That would be a valid argument if the 'people' of Liverpool paid any tax, Liverpool is subsidised by the Wirral.

 




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