Cyclist damaged car because driver hooted

On Apr 4, 11:12*am, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:01:25 +0100

Bertie Wooster wrote:
The River Severn crossing has a shared use path, and that is a proper
motorway, M48. I has no problem cycling across it 8 years ago, and
there were some pedestrians using it too. The Dartford river crossing
is mearly an A road, A282.

That "mere" A road is 4 lanes in both directions and the bridge section is
clearly a motorway. The public and other organisations call it the M25 but if
the DoT want to be pedantic thats up to them. But if you think because its
called an A road that makes it somehow less dangerous then I invite you to
attempt to cross it and see what happens!

What is wrong with crossing an A road?
I do it several times a day on the way to work - in fact, if I didn't
I would not be able to get there at all.
It is the A1033.

--
Simon Mason

On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:10:40 +0100
"BartC" wrote:
"Corporal Jones" wrote in message
...
On 04/04/2012 09:24, Mr Benn wrote:

Don't try it with a cyclist - you'll get your windscreen smashed.

Yeah, as I mow him down and he bounces over the roof!

Jesus. And they let people like you have a driving licence?

Quite. Any driver who finds damaging a poor innocent car funny should be
made to walk!

B2003

Simon Mason wrote:
: QUOTE:
:
: With the London mayoral elections exactly one month away, Sustrans has
: accused Boris Johnson of being “intent on bringing the capital to a
: standstill” following publication of the transport manifesto by the
: mayor, who is seeking re-election. The charity described Labour
: candidate Ken Livingstone, on the other hand, as “committed to
: providing transport for all.”
:


I have had interactions with sustrans, to say they are a bunch of devious,
lying, incompetent amateurs would be to understate what a bunch of muppets
they are.

On 04/04/2012 11:01, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 09:03:35 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:18:33 +0100
Bertie wrote:
Unless you live on one bank and need to get to somewhere on the other
bank you'll be using some form of transport so I fail to see the problem.
In central london where people do walk across the river to get around then
there is no shortage of bridges.

Are you claiming there is no demand for viable pedestrian river
crossings between Tower Bridge and the QEII Bridge?

Well there is one at greenwich and perhaps there could be an argument
for one between docklands and rotherhithe. But other than that I can't
really see much demand for one especially once you get past docklands.

Perhaps it's just as well few people would want to walk across - as
they can't.

Would you really want pedestrians walking alongside the M25? Would you really
want to BE a pedestrian walking alongside the M25?

However, let us not forget that the London Loop has to take walkers
from Dartford to the Gravesend-Tilbury Ferry to cross the river - at a
cost considerably higher than taking a car through the Dartford
Crossing.

Recreational walking is irrelevant. People who walk for fun can do it
anywhere, I thought we were talking about need. And there ain't much of
that around the QE2 bridge.

You are now beginning to sound reasonable.

Now the Greenwich Foot Tunnel is fully reopened

When was the pedestrian-only Greenwich Foot Tunnel closed to pedestrians?

the pressure is
reduced. There certainly is a need for a pedestrian crossing of the
Thames between Rotherhithe and Canary Wharf.

The River Severn crossing has a shared use path, and that is a proper
motorway, M48. I has no problem cycling across it 8 years ago, and
there were some pedestrians using it too.

Not on the motorway you didn't, and there weren't.

The Dartford river crossing is mearly an A road, A282...

....originally a two-lane tunnel designed to take two-way traffic at 40mph.
Then an additional tunnel was created, allowing dual-carriageway operation
and an increase to 50mph.

So should pedestrian traffic have been allowed through the tunnel(s)? Or
better still, over that high level bridge?

Bear in mind that pedestrian traffic has never been permitted* through the
Mersey Tunnels (1934 and 1971 respectively) and as far as I know, through the
Tyne Tunnel either.


[*Save for charity events connected with opening ceremonies, etc.]

On 04/04/2012 11:10, BartC wrote:

"Corporal Jones" wrote:
Mr Benn wrote:

Don't try it with a cyclist - you'll get your windscreen smashed.

Yeah, as I mow him down and he bounces over the roof!

Jesus. And they let people like you have a driving licence?

Suppose I drove a huge truck and talked about doing the same to a car, with a
family inside (perhaps *your* family); would that amusing too?

Before one could give a considered answer to that, it would be necessary to
know whether your family is in the habit of causing criminal damage to the
property of others.

One assumes not.

On Apr 4, 12:47*pm, "Tired" wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:

: QUOTE:
:
: With the London mayoral elections exactly one month away, Sustrans has
: accused Boris Johnson of being “intent on bringing the capital to a
: standstill” following publication of the transport manifesto by the
: mayor, who is seeking re-election. The charity described Labour
: candidate Ken Livingstone, on the other hand, as “committed to
: providing transport for all.”
:

I have had interactions with sustrans, to say they are a bunch of devious,
lying, incompetent amateurs would be to understate what a bunch of muppets
they are.

They do produce some excellent maps though :-)

--
Simon Mason

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:17:57 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:31:22 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

The Greenwich DLR tunnel is charged;

You mean you have to pay a fare to travel on the train? Is that just cyclists
or does it apply to everyone using the train?

Cyclists are not permitted to take bikes aboard the DLR unless they
are folded and bagged.

Quite right to - that should be the rule on every train.

They are passenger trains - not freight trains.

On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:26:00 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snip


This is the original cyclist transport shuttle bus:
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...rtford_bus.jpg

Yep - waste of money:

The cycle bus service only ran for two years - and then it was abandoned
because no-one was using it.

ie There was no demand for cyclists to cross the river at that point.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:47:58 +0100
"Tired" wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:
: QUOTE:
:
: With the London mayoral elections exactly one month away, Sustrans has
: accused Boris Johnson of being “intent on bringing the capital to a
: standstill” following publication of the transport manifesto by the
: mayor, who is seeking re-election. The charity described Labour
: candidate Ken Livingstone, on the other hand, as “committed to
: providing transport for all.”
:


I have had interactions with sustrans, to say they are a bunch of devious,
lying, incompetent amateurs would be to understate what a bunch of muppets
they are.

Sums up the people in most self appointed pressure groups.

B2003

On Apr 4, 11:12*am, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:01:25 +0100

Bertie Wooster wrote:
The River Severn crossing has a shared use path, and that is a proper
motorway, M48. I has no problem cycling across it 8 years ago, and
there were some pedestrians using it too. The Dartford river crossing
is mearly an A road, A282.

The Severn Crossing shared path is not part of the motorway it is
separated from the motorway substantially.


That "mere" A road is 4 lanes in both directions and the bridge section is
clearly a motorway. The public and other organisations call it the M25 but if
the DoT want to be pedantic thats up to them. But if you think because its
called an A road that makes it somehow less dangerous then I invite you to
attempt to cross it and see what happens!


It's an A road because of the lack of hard shoulder, no other reason
except maybe to allow learner drivers access.