Protesters stage sit-in during Jarvis bike lane removal

http://www.citynews.ca/2012/11/12/protesters-stage-sit-in-during-jarvis-bike-lane-removal/

Hmm, I wonder if our favorite troll was driving the truck.

sms wrote:
http://www.citynews.ca/2012/11/12/protesters-stage-sit-in-during-jarvis-bike-lane-removal/

Hmm, I wonder if our favorite troll was driving the truck.


Doubtful. Apparently on his planet bike lanes cause more accidents if they
make any difference at all.

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duane

On 5/19/2014 11:53 AM, Duane wrote:
sms wrote:
http://www.citynews.ca/2012/11/12/protesters-stage-sit-in-during-jarvis-bike-lane-removal/

Hmm, I wonder if our favorite troll was driving the truck.


Doubtful. Apparently on his planet bike lanes cause more accidents if they
make any difference at all.

That truck was removing the bike lane.

sms wrote:
On 5/19/2014 11:53 AM, Duane wrote:
sms wrote:
http://www.citynews.ca/2012/11/12/protesters-stage-sit-in-during-jarvis-bike-lane-removal/

Hmm, I wonder if our favorite troll was driving the truck.


Doubtful. Apparently on his planet bike lanes cause more accidents if they
make any difference at all.

That truck was removing the bike lane.

Yes and the protester was trying to stop them. The first one interviewed
said he'd been hit twice on that road before the lane was installed.
Implying the lane was working. So it must not have been on our favorite
troll's planet and he couldn't have been driving.
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duane

On 5/19/2014 2:23 PM, Duane wrote:

snip

Yes and the protester was trying to stop them. The first one interviewed
said he'd been hit twice on that road before the lane was installed.
Implying the lane was working. So it must not have been on our favorite
troll's planet and he couldn't have been driving.

But Our Favorite Trollâ„¢ would claim that even more people had been hit
after the bicycle lane was installed, reality would have nothing to do
with anything.

On 20/05/14 04:53, Duane wrote:
sms wrote:
http://www.citynews.ca/2012/11/12/protesters-stage-sit-in-during-jarvis-bike-lane-removal/

Hmm, I wonder if our favorite troll was driving the truck.


Doubtful. Apparently on his planet bike lanes cause more accidents if they
make any difference at all.


Hotspots for doorings are where the corridor of death bike lanes are,
around Melbourne.

--
JS

James wrote:
On 20/05/14 04:53, Duane wrote:
sms wrote:
http://www.citynews.ca/2012/11/12/protesters-stage-sit-in-during-jarvis-bike-lane-removal/

Hmm, I wonder if our favorite troll was driving the truck.


Doubtful. Apparently on his planet bike lanes cause more accidents if they
make any difference at all.


Hotspots for doorings are where the corridor of death bike lanes are, around Melbourne.

SMS has a point though. If you have to ride to the right anyway what makes
a bike lane in a door zone so much worse? I don't see any increase in
doorings around here in bike lanes over on regular streets. We don't have
air of them in door zones though.

What we do have down town are these segregated lanes and trucks right hook
cyclists they don't see. They do this on regular streets too but riders
seem less aware when they're in these lanes. The problem is the trucks
with so many blind spots. We have 18 wheelers on streets with pedestrians
and cyclists. Mostly construction related. This needs to be fixed.

--
duane

On 5/20/2014 5:46 AM, Duane wrote:

If you have to ride to the right anyway what makes
a bike lane in a door zone so much worse?

I'd say you don't have to ride far enough to the right to subject
yourself to dooring. A competent bicycling advocacy organization should
be working on getting that written into law, if it isn't already.

I don't see any increase in
doorings around here in bike lanes over on regular streets.

Have you actually looked for data? Is anybody bothering to collect the
data?

According to
http://www.cambridgema.gov/~/media/F...ds_201212.ashx
20% of the car-bike crashes in Cambridge, MA are doorings.
Here's a map and map showing door-related crashes in Chicago:
http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...ppening-102939

What we do have down town are these segregated lanes and trucks right hook
cyclists they don't see. They do this on regular streets too but riders
seem less aware when they're in these lanes.

Of course. People are told that streets without bike lanes aren't safe.
They're told that bike lanes will make them safe. So when they ride
in a bike lane, they feel they don't have to watch for hazard, because
the bike lane will keep them safe. And of course they assume they must
never leave the bike lane, even if a truck is getting ready to turn
across them.

The problem is the trucks with so many blind spots.

That may be part of the problem, but there are certainly other factors.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 20/05/14 19:46, Duane wrote:
James wrote:
On 20/05/14 04:53, Duane wrote:
sms wrote:
http://www.citynews.ca/2012/11/12/protesters-stage-sit-in-during-jarvis-bike-lane-removal/

Hmm, I wonder if our favorite troll was driving the truck.


Doubtful. Apparently on his planet bike lanes cause more accidents if they
make any difference at all.


Hotspots for doorings are where the corridor of death bike lanes are, around Melbourne.

SMS has a point though. If you have to ride to the right anyway what makes
a bike lane in a door zone so much worse? I don't see any increase in
doorings around here in bike lanes over on regular streets. We don't have
air of them in door zones though.

Door zone bike lanes encourage novice riders to ride in a most dangerous
place on the road, and provide ammunition to drivers when a rider
decides to abandon the bike lane to avoid car doors.

http://acrs.org.au/wp-content/upload...olitho_NPR.pdf

Note that the worst offender, St Kilda Rd, has a door zone bike lane.


What we do have down town are these segregated lanes and trucks right hook
cyclists they don't see. They do this on regular streets too but riders
seem less aware when they're in these lanes. The problem is the trucks
with so many blind spots. We have 18 wheelers on streets with pedestrians
and cyclists. Mostly construction related. This needs to be fixed.


"... riders seem less aware when they're in these lanes."

Hits the nail on the head.

--
JS

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:53:30 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2014 5:46 AM, Duane wrote:

If you have to ride to the right anyway what makes
a bike lane in a door zone so much worse?

I'd say you don't have to ride far enough to the right to subject
yourself to dooring. A competent bicycling advocacy organization should
be working on getting that written into law, if it isn't already.

Ludicrous!

I don't see any increase in
doorings around here in bike lanes over on regular streets.

Have you actually looked for data? Is anybody bothering to collect the
data?

According to

http://www.cambridgema.gov/~/media/F...ds_201212.ashx

20% of the car-bike crashes in Cambridge, MA are doorings.

Here's a map and map showing door-related crashes in Chicago:

http://www.wbez.org/news/map-where-a...ppening-102939

What we do have down town are these segregated lanes and trucks right hook
cyclists they don't see. They do this on regular streets too but riders
seem less aware when they're in these lanes.

Seem? I haven't looked at the data you're presenting (yet),
but if it says anything why aren't you just saying so.

Of course. People are told that streets without bike lanes aren't safe.
They're told that bike lanes will make them safe. So when they ride
in a bike lane, they feel they don't have to watch for hazard, because
the bike lane will keep them safe. And of course they assume they must
never leave the bike lane,

No major quibble so far...

... even if a truck is getting ready to turn
across them.

Ludicrous! (Although there's something to the point you
were making, the final "spin" on it is utterly ludicrous.)

OTOH, Darwin had a point, too.

The problem is the trucks with so many blind spots.

That may be part of the problem, but there are certainly other factors.

Certainly. ... er, uh... (how did we get here? Did I miss
something? Going to have to "scroll up", I guess.)

I will say (even though I must have missed something) that
maybe you guys are talking about two different problems -
one problem of trucks with so many blind spots, and another,
broader scope problem that truck blind spots are part of.