Bike ban in Victoria

For those in Victoria, who use the country trains to commute longer
distances, or just travel to the country occasionally, some bad news fro
V-line:

http://www.vline.com.au/home/news/en...3/article.aspx
Bikes

Bicycles can be carried on V/Line train services in off peak periods.

Understanding that there is limited space on peak hour trains, bicycles will
not be permitted on peak hour train services.

We advise that even on off peak train services there is limited space for
bicycles.

Bicycles are generally not permitted on V/Line coach services.


Apparently it is being introduced on the Connex metropolitan services also,
for Zone 1.

In this era of climate change action, how emminently stupid!!


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"PeteSig" wrote in message ...
For those in Victoria, who use the country trains to commute longer
distances, or just travel to the country occasionally, some bad news fro
V-line:

http://www.vline.com.au/home/news/en...3/article.aspx
Bikes

Bicycles can be carried on V/Line train services in off peak periods.

Understanding that there is limited space on peak hour trains, bicycles will
not be permitted on peak hour train services.

We advise that even on off peak train services there is limited space for
bicycles.

Bicycles are generally not permitted on V/Line coach services.


Apparently it is being introduced on the Connex metropolitan services also,
for Zone 1.

In this era of climate change action, how emminently stupid!!

Beyond that! I believe and expect this can be battled, lobbied and defeated fairly
easily. Can somebody post a list of names, positions and their address for
decision makers behind this. Start with ministers. Hassle. Is Bicycle Victoria
on the case? Announcements just prior to Xmas can be smashed easily.

Tomasso.

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Peter

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Tomasso Wrote:
Can somebody post a list of names, positions and their address for
decision makers behind this. Start with ministers. Hassle. Is Bicycle
Victoria on the case? Announcements just prior to Xmas can be smashed
easily.


Classic drop the dead donkey time. Announce it as a fait accompli,
while everyone is on hols or dealing with holiday timetables or couldn't
give a FF.


Transport Minister (even though she didn't want the portfolio)
Lynne Kosky, MP
PO Box 1047
Altona Meadows VIC 3028
Ph (03) 9360 7500
Fax (03) 9360 7654
Email: lynne.koskyATparliament.vic.gov.au


Road Minister (for good measure)
Hon. Tim Pallas, MP
Minister for Roads and Ports
Department of Infrastructure
Level 16/121 Exhibition Street,
Melbourne Vic 3000
Phone: 03 9655 6210
Fax: 03 9655 6651
Email: tim.pallasATparliament.vic.gov.au


Bicycle Victoria
PO Box 426
Collins St West, Victoria, 8007
Situated at Level 10 / 446 Collins Street,
Melbourne, Victoria 3000
Phone/fax
Ph (03) 8636 8888
Fax (03) 8636 8800
Freecall 1800 639 634 (country callers)
Email: bicyclevicATbv.com.au

Connex
GPO Box 5092BB
Melbourne VIC 3001
Ph: 1 800 800 705
7 days a week, 6am - 10pm
Online contact form:
http://www.connexmelbourne.com.au/in...id=72#feedback


Public Transport Ombudsman (Victoria)
PO Box 538
Collins Street West VIC 8007
1800 466 865 or 8623 2111
(8.30am-5pm Monday-Friday)
TTY: 1800 809 623
Fax: 8623 2100
Email: enquiriesATptovic.com.au
www.ptovic.com.au


V/Line
Customer Relations,
Reply Paid 5343,
Melbourne VIC 3001
Phone: 1800 800 120
TTY (03) 9619 2727 available 7 days
Online contact form:
http://www.vline.com.au/about/feedba...dbackpage.aspx


Department of Infrastructure
GPO Box 2797
Melbourne Vic 3001
Tel. (03) 9655 6666
Fax. (03) 9655 6752

Public transport contacts; This page lists contact details for
inquiries and feedback about public transport.
http://tinyurl.com/yvv8qc


PTUA
Ross House
247 Flinders Lane
Melbourne VIC 3000
Phone: (03) 9650 7898
Fax: (03) 9650 3689
Email: officeATptua.org.au
www.ptua.org.au


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cfsmtb

In aus.bicycle on Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:54:28 +1100
cfsmtb wrote:

Tomasso Wrote:
Can somebody post a list of names, positions and their address for
decision makers behind this. Start with ministers. Hassle. Is Bicycle
Victoria on the case? Announcements just prior to Xmas can be smashed
easily.


Classic drop the dead donkey time. Announce it as a fait accompli,
while everyone is on hols or dealing with holiday timetables or couldn't
give a FF.

Give them an alternative. Don't know what the procedure was before,
in Sydney bikes are charged child fare if they travel in "peak times":

"Bicycles are permitted on trains free of charge on the weekend and in
off-peak periods. However, if part or all of your journey is made
between 6.00am - 9.00am or between 3.30pm to 7.30pm on weekdays you
must purchase a child ticket for the bicycle as well as a ticket for
yourself."

If bikes were free before then say banning them is silly but cyclists
are happy to contribute to the costs.

If they wern't free before, then I suspect you are going to be pushing
**** uphill because of the crowding in Vic trains. Perhaps try the
idea of only banned on the last 3 stops into the city?

Zebee

PeteSig wrote:
For those in Victoria, who use the country trains to commute longer
distances, or just travel to the country occasionally, some bad news fro
V-line:

http://www.vline.com.au/home/news/en...3/article.aspx
Bikes

Bicycles can be carried on V/Line train services in off peak periods.

Understanding that there is limited space on peak hour trains, bicycles will
not be permitted on peak hour train services.

We advise that even on off peak train services there is limited space for
bicycles.

Bicycles are generally not permitted on V/Line coach services.


Apparently it is being introduced on the Connex metropolitan services also,
for Zone 1.

In this era of climate change action, how emminently stupid!!


Good Morning Mr Sig,
Totally barmy. I've travelled V/Line with my bike for 30 years and
though there have been ups and downs, this is the stupidest thing yet
encountered. You want to stage a mock funeral outside Parliament House?
For the death of cycle-touring, I'll join you for that one.
So I've also been banned from taking my bike on the train into the city?
I think a number of people will have something to say about that.
Cheers,
Ray

Ta. Time to get busy.

Any bike friendly journos in Victoria? [No, I didn't think so... ...well, maybe].

Tomasso.


"cfsmtb" wrote in message ...

Tomasso Wrote:
Can somebody post a list of names, positions and their address for
decision makers behind this. Start with ministers. Hassle. Is Bicycle
Victoria on the case? Announcements just prior to Xmas can be smashed
easily.


Classic drop the dead donkey time. Announce it as a fait accompli,
while everyone is on hols or dealing with holiday timetables or couldn't
give a FF.


Transport Minister (even though she didn't want the portfolio)
Lynne Kosky, MP
PO Box 1047
Altona Meadows VIC 3028
Ph (03) 9360 7500
Fax (03) 9360 7654
Email: lynne.koskyATparliament.vic.gov.au


Road Minister (for good measure)
Hon. Tim Pallas, MP
Minister for Roads and Ports
Department of Infrastructure
Level 16/121 Exhibition Street,
Melbourne Vic 3000
Phone: 03 9655 6210
Fax: 03 9655 6651
Email: tim.pallasATparliament.vic.gov.au


Bicycle Victoria
PO Box 426
Collins St West, Victoria, 8007
Situated at Level 10 / 446 Collins Street,
Melbourne, Victoria 3000
Phone/fax
Ph (03) 8636 8888
Fax (03) 8636 8800
Freecall 1800 639 634 (country callers)
Email: bicyclevicATbv.com.au

Connex
GPO Box 5092BB
Melbourne VIC 3001
Ph: 1 800 800 705
7 days a week, 6am - 10pm
Online contact form:
http://www.connexmelbourne.com.au/in...id=72#feedback


Public Transport Ombudsman (Victoria)
PO Box 538
Collins Street West VIC 8007
1800 466 865 or 8623 2111
(8.30am-5pm Monday-Friday)
TTY: 1800 809 623
Fax: 8623 2100
Email: enquiriesATptovic.com.au
www.ptovic.com.au


V/Line
Customer Relations,
Reply Paid 5343,
Melbourne VIC 3001
Phone: 1800 800 120
TTY (03) 9619 2727 available 7 days
Online contact form:
http://www.vline.com.au/about/feedba...dbackpage.aspx


Department of Infrastructure
GPO Box 2797
Melbourne Vic 3001
Tel. (03) 9655 6666
Fax. (03) 9655 6752

Public transport contacts; This page lists contact details for
inquiries and feedback about public transport.
http://tinyurl.com/yvv8qc


PTUA
Ross House
247 Flinders Lane
Melbourne VIC 3000
Phone: (03) 9650 7898
Fax: (03) 9650 3689
Email: officeATptua.org.au
www.ptua.org.au


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cfsmtb

PeteSig wrote:
For those in Victoria, who use the country trains to commute longer
distances, or just travel to the country occasionally, some bad news
fro V-line:

http://www.vline.com.au/home/news/en...3/article.aspx
Bikes

Bicycles can be carried on V/Line train services in off peak periods.

Understanding that there is limited space on peak hour trains,
bicycles will not be permitted on peak hour train services.

We advise that even on off peak train services there is limited space
for bicycles.

Bicycles are generally not permitted on V/Line coach services.


Apparently it is being introduced on the Connex metropolitan services
also, for Zone 1.

In this era of climate change action, how emminently stupid!!

Never mind climate change, are they going to apply those rules to prams and
wheelchairs as well?

Theo

Tomasso Wrote:
Ta. Time to get busy.

Any bike friendly journos in Victoria? [No, I didn't think so...
...well, maybe].



Already a Facebook group - Screw Connex and their ban on bike's. Plenty
of discussion elsewhere on the BV forums, CM-Melb and Melbourne Cyclist.


There's rumours/noises that BV didn't oppose the ban, this is yet to be
confirmed or denied. I asked a PTUA contact yesterday about this issue,
they've confirmed what was said to me in todays Herald-Sun (20/12) -
they oppose the ban. Read page 8.

Interesting, a PT lobby group oppose the ban, but Victoria largest
bicycle group didn't (at this point)


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cfsmtb

On Dec 20, 7:23 am, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

Give them an alternative. Don't know what the procedure was before,
in Sydney bikes are charged child fare if they travel in "peak times":

"Bicycles are permitted on trains free of charge on the weekend and in
off-peak periods. However, if part or all of your journey is made
between 6.00am - 9.00am or between 3.30pm to 7.30pm on weekdays you
must purchase a child ticket for the bicycle as well as a ticket for
yourself."

And that gets my goat as well. To travel on a train (interurban) with
my bike, I need to squeeze it into the end of a carriage. If bogans
haven't already crowded in there for a durrie. This area isn't wide
enough to park my bike against a wall or door, it has to be diagonal.
On most carriages, only one end has even that much space. They do have
hangers, in some carriages... which are fine if you don't mind having
the inter carriage doors being slammed into your pride and joy on a
regular basis as passengers wander through.

Doors open on different sides, so if you rest your bike against a
door, you have to leap up and shift it every so often (OK, I only have
this problem for one station, then it's consistent). But you can't
leave your bike anyway - the trains rock enough for bikes to fall
over, or your bike could leave with someone else. :^( You can't lock
it it in place because of the need to keep moving it.

So, I stand the entire trip, politely shifting my bike to assist other
passengers, and they expect me to pay extra? They don't charge extra
for a pram. They don't charge extra for huge travel bags. They don't
charge extra for other luggage. Why bikes? I guess I wouldn't mind
paying if they actually provided a service that allowed for bikes, but
they don't. A ticket should entitle me to that.

/end rant

Tony F

From todays Herald Sun:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...7-2862,00.html

On V/Line trains, bikes will be banned at peak hour from January 1
because of patronage growth.

"We need to make as much space as possible available for people,"
V/Line spokesman Daniel Moloney said.

But the Public Transport Users Association slammed the move.

"Bikes should be part of the solution to our public transport
problems," president Daniel Bowen said.


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