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Wide rims built by siamese mounting skinny rims
I acquirred a nearly built up Turner all wheel drive kit. It has a mountain bike rear wheel built up. The individual was building the front wheel by strapping 2 skinny rims together then lacing spokes to each (they look like 650C although I haven't measured, and if so that might further confound tire selection). Can these be built safely in this manner? -- meb |
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On Feb 6, 12:51 am, meb
wrote: I acquirred a nearly built up Turner all wheel drive kit. It has a mountain bike rear wheel built up. The individual was building the front wheel by strapping 2 skinny rims together then lacing spokes to each (they look like 650C although I haven't measured, and if so that might further confound tire selection). Can these be built safely in this manner? -- meb How are tires being mounted? 2 skinny tires side-by-side, or 1 fat tire straddling both rims? In the latter case, I'm curious how the tube would tolerate the 2 beads sticking up in the middle. presumably, one would lace the spokes from one flange to the opposite-sided rim, thus pulling the two rims against each other. The idea makes my head hurt. If you want a really wide rim & tire and have clearance, get a Surly Large Marge rim & Endomorph 4" tire. |
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:51:30 +1100, meb
may have said: I acquirred a nearly built up Turner all wheel drive kit. It has a mountain bike rear wheel built up. The individual was building the front wheel by strapping 2 skinny rims together then lacing spokes to each (they look like 650C although I haven't measured, and if so that might further confound tire selection). Can these be built safely in this manner? Sounds like a recipe for unwanted results. I wouldn't even try this with somebody else's stuff. Inter-rim squirm and friction, ditto for the tires if two are mounted, wierd tube stresses if the thing has one tire spanning the two rims; no, it sounds like a really bad idea to me. -- My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail. Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 04:12:20 -0800 (PST), Hank wrote:
On Feb 6, 12:51 am, meb wrote: I acquirred a nearly built up Turner all wheel drive kit. It has a mountain bike rear wheel built up. The individual was building the front wheel by strapping 2 skinny rims together then lacing spokes to each (they look like 650C although I haven't measured, and if so that might further confound tire selection). Can these be built safely in this manner? -- meb How are tires being mounted? 2 skinny tires side-by-side, or 1 fat tire straddling both rims? In the latter case, I'm curious how the tube would tolerate the 2 beads sticking up in the middle. Two tubes. |
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Hank Wrote: On Feb 6, 12:51 am, meb wrote: I acquirred a nearly built up Turner all wheel drive kit. It has a mountain bike rear wheel built up. The individual was building the front wheel by strapping 2 skinny rims together then lacing spokes to each (they look like 650C although I haven't measured, and if so that might further confound tire selection). Can these be built safely in this manner? -- meb How are tires being mounted? 2 skinny tires side-by-side, or 1 fat tire straddling both rims? In the latter case, I'm curious how the tube would tolerate the 2 beads sticking up in the middle. presumably, one would lace the spokes from one flange to the opposite-sided rim, thus pulling the two rims against each other. The idea makes my head hurt. If you want a really wide rim & tire and have clearance, get a Surly Large Marge rim & Endomorph 4" tire. I had presumed one tube and one tire, but two tires and tubes would get around the center flange issues and solve the diameter bead match issue if those are 650C as they appear with a 559 tire. The rear is a 559. Presumably one wants to match front and rear tire diameters because while there are both manual and freewheeling clutches on the drive from the rear wheel to the front that allow the front to turn faster than the rear, to get the full benefit of the awd, you want both front and rear tires pulling on the intermediate coefficient surfaces. I've known of persons siamese welding rims together to mount car tires on bikes, but that would 1) seem stronger than straps; and 2) be dictated by necessity given lack of off the shelf bike wheels wide enough for car tires. -- meb |
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meb wrote:
I acquirred a nearly built up Turner all wheel drive kit. It has a mountain bike rear wheel built up. The individual was building the front wheel by strapping 2 skinny rims together then lacing spokes to each (they look like 650C although I haven't measured, and if so that might further confound tire selection). Can these be built safely in this manner? Hank Wrote: How are tires being mounted? 2 skinny tires side-by-side, or 1 fat tire straddling both rims? In the latter case, I'm curious how the tube would tolerate the 2 beads sticking up in the middle. presumably, one would lace the spokes from one flange to the opposite-sided rim, thus pulling the two rims against each other. The idea makes my head hurt. If you want a really wide rim & tire and have clearance, get a Surly Large Marge rim & Endomorph 4" tire. meb wrote: I had presumed one tube and one tire, but two tires and tubes would get around the center flange issues and solve the diameter bead match issue if those are 650C as they appear with a 559 tire. The rear is a 559. Presumably one wants to match front and rear tire diameters because while there are both manual and freewheeling clutches on the drive from the rear wheel to the front that allow the front to turn faster than the rear, to get the full benefit of the awd, you want both front and rear tires pulling on the intermediate coefficient surfaces. I've known of persons siamese welding rims together to mount car tires on bikes, but that would 1) seem stronger than straps; and 2) be dictated by necessity given lack of off the shelf bike wheels wide enough for car tires. The worst is doing well that which should not have been done at all - Peter Drucker. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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meb Wrote: I acquirred a nearly built up Turner all wheel drive kit. It has a mountain bike rear wheel built up. The individual was building the front wheel by strapping 2 skinny rims together .. Can these be built safely in this manner? I've seen that too, but never up close enough to get any detail. If I were to hazard a guess I'd say that merely a weird cross-lace wouldn't be enough to lock the rims together by itself. I thought I'd be able to suggest a better option by 'this link, ' (http://www.icebike.org/Equipment/rims.htm) but then I discovered the sad disclaimer saying "no longer in production." -- dabac |
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On Feb 6, 1:04*pm, dabac
wrote: I thought I'd be able to suggest a better option by 'this link, ' (http://www.icebike.org/Equipment/rims.htm) but then I discovered the sad disclaimer saying "no longer in production." FWIW, those rims were 44mm wide. Surly Large Marge rims are 65mm. |
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dabac Wrote: I've seen that too, but never up close enough to get any detail. If I were to hazard a guess I'd say that merely a weird cross-lace wouldn't be enough to lock the rims together by itself. I thought I'd be able to suggest a better option by 'this link, ' (http://www.icebike.org/Equipment/rims.htm) but then I discovered the sad disclaimer saying "no longer in production." It looks like the snow cat was intended for the purpose of getting extra wide tires on the bike. I can use 26x 1.95 -2.15 for my current purposes. I think the snow cat rims would best be matched front and rear when used with the Turner awd so both wheels would have the same road speed. Since I have a built rear suitable for 26x 1.95-2.15, it might be better to just get a similar rim for the front-particularly since there doesn't appear to be anyone comfortable with the lacing approach working or knowing any tricks to make it work. -- meb |
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meb Wrote: It looks like the snow cat was intended for the purpose of getting extra wide tires on the bike. I can use 26x 1.95 -2.15 for my current purposes. I think the snow cat rims would best be matched front and rear when used with the Turner awd so both wheels would have the same road speed. Since I have a built rear suitable for 26x 1.95-2.15, it might be better to just get a similar rim for the front-particularly since there doesn't appear to be anyone comfortable with the lacing approach working or knowing any tricks to make it work. Surly Large Marge are 65 mm wide. http://www.surlybikes.com/parts/largemarge_pop.html -- daveornee |
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