So NO on the Cinelli Super Corsa!! What about a Ritchey Road Logic...or Richard Sachs??

After the quite active discussion on the Cinelli Super Corsa, I've decided this
isn't the one for me. I do appreciate your collective opinions...I really do.

What about the Ritchey Road Logic? I know it's not lugged; it's either TIG
welded or fillet brazed (by Tom himself, I understand, if you want to spring
for the extra cost).
I sure do love the blue with white panels that appears to be a standard paint
scheme. I'm inclined to think it's a decent design, what with Tom being around
the block on a road bike a few times himself. I've owned a number of Ritchey
Logic parts (pedals, bars, stems, etc.) over the years and have been very
pleased with them. They've given me good value, low weight, and what I would
consider decent design. I'm aware that they're all sourced out of Taiwan, but
appear to be good quality nonetheless.

The Road Logic seems available at $900-$1000; a LBS has one for $999 in stock
that's my size, though in a God-awful yellow/white--guy says he'd order the
blue/white and could have it in 7 days.

Maybe this price is now getting close enough to a custom frame price that I
should consider that.

I do dearly love the Richard Sachs frames I've seen (all two of them), but am a
little scared of the $2500+ I understand they run and the 9-12 month wait-time
I was told they require. I remember a wonderful red/white Sachs I rode beside
for a number of miles during a mid-80's Markleeville Death Ride. That was a
real head-turner frame.

I'm not in a terrible rush, but waiting a year for a Sachs seems a little too
long.

Your thoughts?

Thanks much...

"Eurastus" wrote in message
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I do dearly love the Richard Sachs frames I've seen (all two of them), but
am a
little scared of the $2500+ I understand they run and the 9-12 month
wait-time
I was told they require. I'm not in a terrible rush, but waiting a year
for a Sachs seems a little too
long.

Your thoughts?
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ONLY a year wait for a Sachs?! My understanding is the wait is at least 18
months actually closer to 2 years. You might have a look at Dave Kirk's
frames: www.kirkframeworks.com A good guy, excellent builder.

Eurastus wrote:
After the quite active discussion on the Cinelli Super Corsa, I've
decided this isn't the one for
me. I do appreciate your collective opinions...I really do.
What about the Ritchey Road Logic? I know it's not lugged; it's either
TIG welded or fillet brazed (by Tom himself, I understand, if you want
to spring for the extra cost). I sure do love the blue with white panels
that appears to be a standard paint scheme. I'm inclined to think it's a
decent design, what with Tom being around the block on a road bike a few
times himself. I've owned a number of Ritchey Logic parts (pedals, bars,
stems, etc.) over the years and have been very pleased with them.
They've given me good value, low weight, and what I would consider
decent design. I'm aware that they're all sourced out of Taiwan, but
appear to be good quality nonetheless.
The Road Logic seems available at $900-$1000; a LBS has one for $999 in
stock that's my size, though in a God-awful yellow/white--guy says he'd
order the blue/white and could have it in 7 days.
Maybe this price is now getting close enough to a custom frame price
that I should consider that.
I do dearly love the Richard Sachs frames I've seen (all two of them),
but am a little scared of the $2500+ I understand they run and the 9-12
month wait-time I was told they require. I remember a wonderful
red/white Sachs I rode beside for a number of miles during a mid-80's
Markleeville Death Ride. That was a real head-turner frame.
I'm not in a terrible rush, but waiting a year for a Sachs seems a
little too long.
Your thoughts?
Thanks much...

About Ritchey stuff, it's true that a lot of there stuff is outsourced
internationally, but does it really matter? All of their stuff is
extremely high quality and is many times better than stuff made in the
good ole US. And I think Ritchey steel frames are vastly underrated. My
friend is a welder and says that TIG is stronger than fillet or lugs. It
may not have the looks of lugged or fillet, but structurally it is
better. Does that make any difference? Not really because properly
welded or brazed bikes will never fail at the welding/brazing areas.

About Richard Sachs. This guy's frames are a true work of art. He uses
the traditional technique of pinning the tubes (instead or tack brazing)
before he fully brazes the tubes. This is totally time consuming, but
you end up with a frame that needs less cold-setting alignment before
being shipped off to the customer. Cold-setting a frame weakens it to a
certain extent. He uses one of those 5 thousand dollar Italian jigs to
keep it all straight for pinning. The point is that you are guaranteed a
straight frame and it will track straight like no other. There are
pictures on the internet of his building process and it is extremely
meticulous. Its going to weigh a little more than a TIG-ed bike.

... so, if you were going to get one, I'd go with the Richard Sachs.
Sure it ways a little more, but so what? It is straight as an arrow and
will ride fantastic. Of course, I've always like Ritchey bikes and the
Ritchey tubing is nice and light. It will ride great too. Actually, now
that I think about it, I'd get the Ritchey. I'm a believer in instant
gratification and I can't stand to wait over a year.








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How about a custom Eddy Merckx lugged MX Leader (as used by Motorola, etc.),
built in belgium, custom geometry and choice of paint, about a 3-4 month
wait, about 1400 from www.bikyle.com


"Eurastus" wrote in message
...
After the quite active discussion on the Cinelli Super Corsa, I've decided
this
isn't the one for me. I do appreciate your collective opinions...I really
do.

What about the Ritchey Road Logic? I know it's not lugged; it's either
TIG
welded or fillet brazed (by Tom himself, I understand, if you want to
spring
for the extra cost).
I sure do love the blue with white panels that appears to be a standard
paint
scheme. I'm inclined to think it's a decent design, what with Tom being
around
the block on a road bike a few times himself. I've owned a number of
Ritchey
Logic parts (pedals, bars, stems, etc.) over the years and have been very
pleased with them. They've given me good value, low weight, and what I
would
consider decent design. I'm aware that they're all sourced out of Taiwan,
but
appear to be good quality nonetheless.

The Road Logic seems available at $900-$1000; a LBS has one for $999 in
stock
that's my size, though in a God-awful yellow/white--guy says he'd order
the
blue/white and could have it in 7 days.

Maybe this price is now getting close enough to a custom frame price that
I
should consider that.

I do dearly love the Richard Sachs frames I've seen (all two of them), but
am a
little scared of the $2500+ I understand they run and the 9-12 month
wait-time
I was told they require. I remember a wonderful red/white Sachs I rode
beside
for a number of miles during a mid-80's Markleeville Death Ride. That was
a
real head-turner frame.

I'm not in a terrible rush, but waiting a year for a Sachs seems a little
too
long.

Your thoughts?

Thanks much...

KB wrote in message ...
How about a custom Eddy Merckx lugged MX Leader (as used by Motorola, etc.),
built in belgium, custom geometry and choice of paint, about a 3-4 month
wait, about 1400 from www.bikyle.com


Oh no, not the mx leader! I thought that slug was long
dead and buried where it shoudl be. At 6 lbs just for
the frame and fork it's way too heavy to ride.

Lance dispised that thing when he had to ride it for
the mid '90s spring classics.

The corny looking lug work and box crown make it look
like something out of the comic books.

"Eurastus" wrote in message
...
After the quite active discussion on the Cinelli Super Corsa, I've decided
this
isn't the one for me. I do appreciate your collective opinions...I really
do.

What about the Ritchey Road Logic? I know it's not lugged; it's either
TIG
welded or fillet brazed (by Tom himself, I understand, if you want to
spring
for the extra cost).
I sure do love the blue with white panels that appears to be a standard
paint
scheme. I'm inclined to think it's a decent design, what with Tom being
around
the block on a road bike a few times himself. I've owned a number of
Ritchey
Logic parts (pedals, bars, stems, etc.) over the years and have been very
pleased with them. They've given me good value, low weight, and what I
would
consider decent design. I'm aware that they're all sourced out of Taiwan,
but
appear to be good quality nonetheless.

The Road Logic seems available at $900-$1000; a LBS has one for $999 in
stock
that's my size, though in a God-awful yellow/white--guy says he'd order
the
blue/white and could have it in 7 days.

Maybe this price is now getting close enough to a custom frame price that
I
should consider that.

I do dearly love the Richard Sachs frames I've seen (all two of them), but
am a
little scared of the $2500+ I understand they run and the 9-12 month
wait-time
I was told they require. I remember a wonderful red/white Sachs I rode
beside
for a number of miles during a mid-80's Markleeville Death Ride. That was
a
real head-turner frame.

I'm not in a terrible rush, but waiting a year for a Sachs seems a little
too
long.

Your thoughts?

Thanks much...

Buy yourself a superb Waterford-made Gunnar ($700) or such if you don't
mind 2cm sizing (Custom for $1K) , or flip for something else if you have
more money to blow. Gunnars are most often delivered within two weeks
(custom is about 4-6weeks now).


--
Robin Hubert

"Fabrizio Mazzoleni" wrote in message
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KB wrote in message ...
How about a custom Eddy Merckx lugged MX Leader (as used by Motorola,
etc.),
built in belgium, custom geometry and choice of paint, about a 3-4 month
wait, about 1400 from www.bikyle.com


Oh no, not the mx leader! I thought that slug was long
dead and buried where it shoudl be. At 6 lbs just for
the frame and fork it's way too heavy to ride.

Lance dispised that thing when he had to ride it for
the mid '90s spring classics.

The corny looking lug work and box crown make it look
like something out of the comic books.



I had some friends back when that had Max forks. They seemed to break with
fair frequency...

Mike

A Richard Sachs would definitely be on my short list. You might also
consider Tom Kellogg (Spectrum cycles). I've attached a link that puts
together some of the better custom builders in the business.

http://www.sandsmachine.com/fbplist.htm

R / John

Sam- I do dearly love the Richard Sachs frames I've seen (all two of them),
but am a
little scared of the $2500+ I understand they run and the 9-12 month wait-time
I was told they require BRBR

http://www.nobilettecycles.com

Lugged frameset for $1600-about 4-6 weeks..

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

BaCard- My
friend is a welder and says that TIG is stronger than fillet or lugs BRBR

This really depends on the tubes used..Some are not made for tig welding and
the resulting frameset would not last...The tig method in and of itself doesn't
make for a stronger joint..

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"