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On 17/02/2012 16:35, Davey Crockett wrote:
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On 17/02/2012 16:39, --D-y wrote:
I really hate this "Red Badge of Courage" bull**** when applied to bike racing. It certainly was not the way I was taught, where the emphasis was directly on not causing or being caught up in crashes. Most bike racing crashes at the amateur level are stupid and avoidable and that's why smart riders and smart coaches do what they can to limit crashes to the maximum extent possible. Indeed, always ride at the front(ish) to avoid the stacks Eddie said. Of course you need better legs than mine to take this advice. -- |
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On Feb 16, 4:24*pm, "Fred on a stick"
wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/blog...e/6409714/Will... Article answer: probably not, and a pox on Rebecca Oaten for stubbornly clinging to her support of the NZ helmet law she advocated into enactment, despite evidence its main effect was to convince NZers to stop riding bicycles. Counterpoint: the law is working as intended. What a coincidence. We were just discussing this on the rbr Topica list. You've contaminated the experiment! But not fatally. I'd say your hypothesis has been vindicated, and I would like to thank our volunteers for their contribution to science. |
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On Feb 17, 9:33*am, atriage wrote:
On 17/02/2012 16:39, --D-y wrote: I really hate this "Red Badge of Courage" bull**** when applied to bike racing. It certainly was not the way I was taught, where the emphasis was directly on not causing or being caught up in crashes. Most bike racing crashes at the amateur level are stupid and avoidable and that's why smart riders and smart coaches do what they can to limit crashes to the maximum extent possible. Indeed, always ride at the front(ish) to avoid the stacks Eddie said. Of course you need better legs than mine to take this advice. -- I've had the opportunity to observe our Friday night track races for a few months now, which means either watching or participating in 9-12 short, sharp races a night, in three ability categories, on a 200m velodrome (the club mandates 4.5 hours of training for new riders before they are allowed to drop in on open track sessions, and another 1.5 hour learn-to-race course before you can enter novice racing). My impression is that the faster, smarter, more experienced groups do indeed have better skills and more confidence, but they mostly use that ability up by riding closer to the margins: generally leaving smaller gaps and riding more aggressively in every way possible. The incident rate for the "A" group seems about the same as that for the novice group. Just speaking of last week, it was a guy in the "C" group who was warned for moving up-track without looking, but it was an "A" rider who mourned his toasted front wheel after another rider made contact with him ("A" rider didn't fall down; I don't know if the contact was foot/pedal in the spokes or just a wheel-to-wheel hit, but several spokes pulled out of his deep aluminum rim. He made it safely to the infield for a bike change and returned to the race). |
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
You've contaminated the experiment! But not fatally. I'd say your hypothesis has been vindicated, and I would like to thank our volunteers for their contribution to science. Presumably the experiment involved samples of triathletes riding with and without helmets. There was probably no necessity to induce crashes, although it would add to the entertainment value. |
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In article , JQ wrote:
On 2/16/2012 7:24 PM, Fred on a stick wrote: Ryan Cousineau wrote: http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/blog...-cyclists-life Article answer: probably not, and a pox on Rebecca Oaten for stubbornly clinging to her support of the NZ helmet law she advocated into enactment, despite evidence its main effect was to convince NZers to stop riding bicycles. Counterpoint: the law is working as intended. What a coincidence. We were just discussing this on the rbr Topica list. I think helmets Talk to the hand. I am not listening. -- Old Fritz |
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Davey Crockett wrote: dave a a écrit profondement: | On 2/17/2012 4:40 AM, Davey Crockett wrote: | -- | Blackwater changed it's name to Xe-Services | Monsanto bought Xe out Lock, Stock and Barrel | Gates increased his holdings in Monsanto from "Minor" to "Significant" | What does Gates need with a Private Army? | Is your fact checker broken? No, check it out for yourself Davey doesn't lie like the BBC, Fox News, Guardian, Times, New York Times, Washington Post, Il Messaggero, Corriere della Sera, Le Parisien or La Tribune. Davey gives you the straight goods. Monsanto Now Owns Blackwater (Xe) Please, sir, may I have the helmet war instead? -- Michael Press |
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On Feb 17, 11:33*am, atriage wrote:
On 17/02/2012 16:39, --D-y wrote: I really hate this "Red Badge of Courage" bull**** when applied to bike racing. It certainly was not the way I was taught, where the emphasis was directly on not causing or being caught up in crashes. Most bike racing crashes at the amateur level are stupid and avoidable and that's why smart riders and smart coaches do what they can to limit crashes to the maximum extent possible. Indeed, always ride at the front(ish) to avoid the stacks Eddie said. Of course you need better legs than mine to take this advice. It's the manic drive to "get to the front" that often figures into the incidence of crashes, ironically. I don't claim to be a paragon but I try to be a reliable, safe wheel and it sure can be done. As opposed to riding like a clueless idiot. I've seen pre-race "stern lectures" have a great calming effect. I've also seen people take insane risks on blind corners and hills IRT oncoming traffic, and (for instance) on a regular basis in the late lamented Tuesday Nighter at Nuchols Crossing in Austin TX. "Public roads at the end of rush hour" and it's amazing that no one was killed; I did see a few very close calls. Risking it all for nothing, either prizes (there weren't any) or "race finish" since the line was often (from the location of the usual offences) literally miles away, with lots of straight, open road available to move up, attack what- ever. DUH (As I was taught, early on) even the best blow it out their wazoo from time to time and you have to be ready and able to cover their mistakes, if only (first and foremost) to save your own hide. Don't count on that helmet for anything except preventing sunburn, and the mostly-air "racing" models aren't so great at that, either. --D-y |
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On Feb 17, 11:23*am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
My impression is that the faster, smarter, more experienced groups do indeed have better skills and more confidence, but they mostly use that ability up by riding closer to the margins: generally leaving smaller gaps and riding more aggressively in every way possible. The incident rate for the "A" group seems about the same as that for the novice group. Risk compensation, or risk homeostasis. Holy crap, an example of risk homeostasis that _doesn't_ involve helmets! Fredmaster Ben |
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On Feb 17, 11:12*am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
On Feb 16, 4:24*pm, "Fred on a stick" wrote: What a coincidence. We were just discussing this on the rbr Topica list.. You've contaminated the experiment! But not fatally. I'd say your hypothesis has been vindicated, and I would like to thank our volunteers for their contribution to science. Kunich, thou shouldst be posting at this hour! Fredmaster Ben |
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