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Road bike helmets vs. mountain bike helmets
In shopping for a new helmet, it appears to me that the only real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet is that the latter has a visor/brim. That seems odd to me.
I often ride early in the morning or late in the afternoon, at least in the summer. To keep the sun out of my eyes, I frequently wear a cycling cap under my helmet. Having a detachable visor seems to me like a good idea for riding my road bike because with a hat on, it doe snot matter how many vents I have. My head still drips sweat. I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. That's consistent between the two LBS I go to as well as what I see available mail order. I don't want to wear a mountain bike helmet while riding an expensive road bike, but I don't want to have to pay $250.00 for a relatively light and well-made helmet either. So what is it about having a visor that is so bad for a road bike helmet? I can understand that it makes it a little harder to see ahead with a visor when down in the drops, but is that the only issue? I saw an ad for a Bell Sweep helmet that is about $50.00 off retail, putting it down around $80.00. That looks like a good deal to me, but it has an optional visor, which must mean it is a mountain bike helmet. So is there any real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet besides the visor? Thanks. Ken |
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On 8/27/2014 12:00 AM, OccasionalFlyer wrote:
In shopping for a new helmet, it appears to me that the only real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet is that the latter has a visor/brim. That seems odd to me. I often ride early in the morning or late in the afternoon, at least in the summer. To keep the sun out of my eyes, I frequently wear a cycling cap under my helmet. Having a detachable visor seems to me like a good idea for riding my road bike because with a hat on, it doe snot matter how many vents I have. My head still drips sweat. I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. That's consistent between the two LBS I go to as well as what I see available mail order. I don't want to wear a mountain bike helmet while riding an expensive road bike, but I don't want to have to pay $250.00 for a relatively light and well-made helmet either. So what is it about having a visor that is so bad for a road bike helmet? I can understand that it makes it a little harder to see ahead with a visor when down in the drops, but is that the only issue? I saw an ad for a Bell Sweep helmet that is about $50.00 off retail, putting it down around $80.00. That looks like a good deal to me, but it has an optional visor, which must mean it is a mountain bike helmet. So is there any real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet besides the visor? Thanks. Ken The big difference is the visor. Other differences, if any, are minimal. And the optional visor doesn't mean it's a mountain bike helmet. If you don't like the visor, it just allows you to leave it off. Remember, any bike helmet sold in the U.S. must meet the CPSC standards, which are also pretty minimal. Essentially, it is supposed to keep linear head deceleration below 300 "gees" in a 14 mph linear impact. There's no testing regarding rotational acceleration, even though that's long been known to be much more predictive of brain damage. At their best, bike helmets are mostly token protection. What's not as well known is this: A more expensive, lighter, cooler helmet will be _less_ protective, more likely to _just barely_ pass the test. Cheaper ones are designed quickly, so they tend to be designed more conservatively, i.e. more protective, to avoid extra design and test time. This has been shown several times by Consumer Reports' helmet tests, although they reduce their findings to their trademarked colored dots, rather than giving numbers. I think it makes little sense to worry much about helmet style. Only a tiny portion of cyclists have an opinion on which helmet looks more "stylish," and there's little point in trying to impress them. And anyone who's a non-cyclist is never going to think of a bike helmet as good looking. (If they did, they'd wear one just walking around.) Face it, they all look goofy. If you really want to wear a helmet: find one that fits your head shape, and looks like it has enough air holes for you, and is in your budget. The cheaper the better. They all meet the same standards. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:00:16 AM UTC-4, OccasionalFlyer wrote:
In shopping for a new helmet, it appears to me that the only real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet is that the latter has a visor/brim. That seems odd to me. I often ride early in the morning or late in the afternoon, at least in the summer. To keep the sun out of my eyes, I frequently wear a cycling cap under my helmet. Having a detachable visor seems to me like a good idea for riding my road bike because with a hat on, it doe snot matter how many vents I have. My head still drips sweat. I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. That's consistent between the two LBS I go to as well as what I see available mail order. I don't want to wear a mountain bike helmet while riding an expensive road bike, but I don't want to have to pay $250.00 for a relatively light and well-made helmet either. So what is it about having a visor that is so bad for a road bike helmet? I can understand that it makes it a little harder to see ahead with a visor when down in the drops, but is that the only issue? I saw an ad for a Bell Sweep helmet that is about $50.00 off retail, putting it down around $80.00. That looks like a good deal to me, but it has an optional visor, which must mean it is a mountain bike helmet. So is there any real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet besides the visor? Thanks. Ken NNNNNNNNNNN0 WHILE there pick up a new pump http://goo.gl/LHl7dn |
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Frank Krygowski schreef op 27-8-2014 6:30:
On 8/27/2014 12:00 AM, OccasionalFlyer wrote: In shopping for a new helmet, it appears to me that the only real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet is that the latter has a visor/brim. That seems odd to me. I often ride early in the morning or late in the afternoon, at least in the summer. To keep the sun out of my eyes, I frequently wear a cycling cap under my helmet. Having a detachable visor seems to me like a good idea for riding my road bike because with a hat on, it doe snot matter how many vents I have. My head still drips sweat. I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. That's consistent between the two LBS I go to as well as what I see available mail order. I don't want to wear a mountain bike helmet while riding an expensive road bike, but I don't want to have to pay $250.00 for a relatively light and well-made helmet either. So what is it about having a visor that is so bad for a road bike helmet? I can understand that it makes it a little harder to see ahead with a visor when down in the drops, but is that the only issue? I saw an ad for a Bell Sweep helmet that is about $50.00 off retail, putting it down around $80.00. That looks like a good deal to me, but it has an optional visor, which must mean it is a mountain bike helmet. So is there any real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet besides the visor? Thanks. Ken The big difference is the visor. Other differences, if any, are minimal. And the optional visor doesn't mean it's a mountain bike helmet. If you don't like the visor, it just allows you to leave it off. Remember, any bike helmet sold in the U.S. must meet the CPSC standards, which are also pretty minimal. Essentially, it is supposed to keep linear head deceleration below 300 "gees" in a 14 mph linear impact. There's no testing regarding rotational acceleration, even though that's long been known to be much more predictive of brain damage. At their best, bike helmets are mostly token protection. What's not as well known is this: A more expensive, lighter, cooler helmet will be _less_ protective, more likely to _just barely_ pass the test. Cheaper ones are designed quickly, so they tend to be designed more conservatively, i.e. more protective, to avoid extra design and test time. This has been shown several times by Consumer Reports' helmet tests, although they reduce their findings to their trademarked colored dots, rather than giving numbers. I think it makes little sense to worry much about helmet style. Only a tiny portion of cyclists have an opinion on which helmet looks more "stylish," and there's little point in trying to impress them. And anyone who's a non-cyclist is never going to think of a bike helmet as good looking. (If they did, they'd wear one just walking around.) Face it, they all look goofy. If you really want to wear a helmet: find one that fits your head shape, and looks like it has enough air holes for you, and is in your budget. The cheaper the better. They all meet the same standards. Why not choose a stylish (to the owner) one? Do you buy ugly stuff? Lou |
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On 8/27/2014 1:21 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Frank Krygowski schreef op 27-8-2014 6:30: On 8/27/2014 12:00 AM, OccasionalFlyer wrote: In shopping for a new helmet, it appears to me that the only real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet is that the latter has a visor/brim. That seems odd to me. I often ride early in the morning or late in the afternoon, at least in the summer. To keep the sun out of my eyes, I frequently wear a cycling cap under my helmet. Having a detachable visor seems to me like a good idea for riding my road bike because with a hat on, it doe snot matter how many vents I have. My head still drips sweat. I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. That's consistent between the two LBS I go to as well as what I see available mail order. I don't want to wear a mountain bike helmet while riding an expensive road bike, but I don't want to have to pay $250.00 for a relatively light and well-made helmet either. So what is it about having a visor that is so bad for a road bike helmet? I can understand that it makes it a little harder to see ahead with a visor when down in the drops, but is that the only issue? I saw an ad for a Bell Sweep helmet that is about $50.00 off retail, putting it down around $80.00. That looks like a good deal to me, but it has an optional visor, which must mean it is a mountain bike helmet. So is there any real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet besides the visor? Thanks. Ken The big difference is the visor. Other differences, if any, are minimal. And the optional visor doesn't mean it's a mountain bike helmet. If you don't like the visor, it just allows you to leave it off. Remember, any bike helmet sold in the U.S. must meet the CPSC standards, which are also pretty minimal. Essentially, it is supposed to keep linear head deceleration below 300 "gees" in a 14 mph linear impact. There's no testing regarding rotational acceleration, even though that's long been known to be much more predictive of brain damage. At their best, bike helmets are mostly token protection. What's not as well known is this: A more expensive, lighter, cooler helmet will be _less_ protective, more likely to _just barely_ pass the test. Cheaper ones are designed quickly, so they tend to be designed more conservatively, i.e. more protective, to avoid extra design and test time. This has been shown several times by Consumer Reports' helmet tests, although they reduce their findings to their trademarked colored dots, rather than giving numbers. I think it makes little sense to worry much about helmet style. Only a tiny portion of cyclists have an opinion on which helmet looks more "stylish," and there's little point in trying to impress them. And anyone who's a non-cyclist is never going to think of a bike helmet as good looking. (If they did, they'd wear one just walking around.) Face it, they all look goofy. If you really want to wear a helmet: find one that fits your head shape, and looks like it has enough air holes for you, and is in your budget. The cheaper the better. They all meet the same standards. Why not choose a stylish (to the owner) one? Do you buy ugly stuff? Are you asking Frank if he buys big ugly helmets? lol |
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Duane schreef op 27-8-2014 19:32:
On 8/27/2014 1:21 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Frank Krygowski schreef op 27-8-2014 6:30: On 8/27/2014 12:00 AM, OccasionalFlyer wrote: In shopping for a new helmet, it appears to me that the only real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet is that the latter has a visor/brim. That seems odd to me. I often ride early in the morning or late in the afternoon, at least in the summer. To keep the sun out of my eyes, I frequently wear a cycling cap under my helmet. Having a detachable visor seems to me like a good idea for riding my road bike because with a hat on, it doe snot matter how many vents I have. My head still drips sweat. I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. That's consistent between the two LBS I go to as well as what I see available mail order. I don't want to wear a mountain bike helmet while riding an expensive road bike, but I don't want to have to pay $250.00 for a relatively light and well-made helmet either. So what is it about having a visor that is so bad for a road bike helmet? I can understand that it makes it a little harder to see ahead with a visor when down in the drops, but is that the only issue? I saw an ad for a Bell Sweep helmet that is about $50.00 off retail, putting it down around $80.00. That looks like a good deal to me, but it has an optional visor, which must mean it is a mountain bike helmet. So is there any real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet besides the visor? Thanks. Ken The big difference is the visor. Other differences, if any, are minimal. And the optional visor doesn't mean it's a mountain bike helmet. If you don't like the visor, it just allows you to leave it off. Remember, any bike helmet sold in the U.S. must meet the CPSC standards, which are also pretty minimal. Essentially, it is supposed to keep linear head deceleration below 300 "gees" in a 14 mph linear impact. There's no testing regarding rotational acceleration, even though that's long been known to be much more predictive of brain damage. At their best, bike helmets are mostly token protection. What's not as well known is this: A more expensive, lighter, cooler helmet will be _less_ protective, more likely to _just barely_ pass the test. Cheaper ones are designed quickly, so they tend to be designed more conservatively, i.e. more protective, to avoid extra design and test time. This has been shown several times by Consumer Reports' helmet tests, although they reduce their findings to their trademarked colored dots, rather than giving numbers. I think it makes little sense to worry much about helmet style. Only a tiny portion of cyclists have an opinion on which helmet looks more "stylish," and there's little point in trying to impress them. And anyone who's a non-cyclist is never going to think of a bike helmet as good looking. (If they did, they'd wear one just walking around.) Face it, they all look goofy. If you really want to wear a helmet: find one that fits your head shape, and looks like it has enough air holes for you, and is in your budget. The cheaper the better. They all meet the same standards. Why not choose a stylish (to the owner) one? Do you buy ugly stuff? Are you asking Frank if he buys big ugly helmets? lol That applies to anything one buys. 'We need a couch, lets get the ugly one...'. I don't understand that. Lou |
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I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line
road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. If you really want to wear a helmet: find one that fits your head shape, and looks like it has enough air holes for you, and is in your budget. The cheaper the better. They all meet the same standards. I agree that you don't really get much more with an expensive helmet. However, the very cheapest helmets usually come in just one size, so going up a notch or two (into around the $60 range) might get a much better fit. One other difference is that the cheaper helmets often have exposed foam in back, and are supposedly less durable than more expensive helmets that have the foam covered all around. I've never had a problem with the bare foam, but I guess if you throw your helmet in the trunk with tools, etc., it might be a concern. |
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On 8/27/2014 12:43 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Duane schreef op 27-8-2014 19:32: On 8/27/2014 1:21 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Frank Krygowski schreef op 27-8-2014 6:30: On 8/27/2014 12:00 AM, OccasionalFlyer wrote: In shopping for a new helmet, it appears to me that the only real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet is that the latter has a visor/brim. That seems odd to me. I often ride early in the morning or late in the afternoon, at least in the summer. To keep the sun out of my eyes, I frequently wear a cycling cap under my helmet. Having a detachable visor seems to me like a good idea for riding my road bike because with a hat on, it doe snot matter how many vents I have. My head still drips sweat. I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. That's consistent between the two LBS I go to as well as what I see available mail order. I don't want to wear a mountain bike helmet while riding an expensive road bike, but I don't want to have to pay $250.00 for a relatively light and well-made helmet either. So what is it about having a visor that is so bad for a road bike helmet? I can understand that it makes it a little harder to see ahead with a visor when down in the drops, but is that the only issue? I saw an ad for a Bell Sweep helmet that is about $50.00 off retail, putting it down around $80.00. That looks like a good deal to me, but it has an optional visor, which must mean it is a mountain bike helmet. So is there any real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet besides the visor? Thanks. Ken The big difference is the visor. Other differences, if any, are minimal. And the optional visor doesn't mean it's a mountain bike helmet. If you don't like the visor, it just allows you to leave it off. Remember, any bike helmet sold in the U.S. must meet the CPSC standards, which are also pretty minimal. Essentially, it is supposed to keep linear head deceleration below 300 "gees" in a 14 mph linear impact. There's no testing regarding rotational acceleration, even though that's long been known to be much more predictive of brain damage. At their best, bike helmets are mostly token protection. What's not as well known is this: A more expensive, lighter, cooler helmet will be _less_ protective, more likely to _just barely_ pass the test. Cheaper ones are designed quickly, so they tend to be designed more conservatively, i.e. more protective, to avoid extra design and test time. This has been shown several times by Consumer Reports' helmet tests, although they reduce their findings to their trademarked colored dots, rather than giving numbers. I think it makes little sense to worry much about helmet style. Only a tiny portion of cyclists have an opinion on which helmet looks more "stylish," and there's little point in trying to impress them. And anyone who's a non-cyclist is never going to think of a bike helmet as good looking. (If they did, they'd wear one just walking around.) Face it, they all look goofy. If you really want to wear a helmet: find one that fits your head shape, and looks like it has enough air holes for you, and is in your budget. The cheaper the better. They all meet the same standards. Why not choose a stylish (to the owner) one? Do you buy ugly stuff? Are you asking Frank if he buys big ugly helmets? lol That applies to anything one buys. 'We need a couch, lets get the ugly one...'. I don't understand that. Lou OK, then explain new cars please. I don't get it. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 8/27/2014 1:43 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Duane schreef op 27-8-2014 19:32: On 8/27/2014 1:21 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Frank Krygowski schreef op 27-8-2014 6:30: On 8/27/2014 12:00 AM, OccasionalFlyer wrote: In shopping for a new helmet, it appears to me that the only real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet is that the latter has a visor/brim. That seems odd to me. I often ride early in the morning or late in the afternoon, at least in the summer. To keep the sun out of my eyes, I frequently wear a cycling cap under my helmet. Having a detachable visor seems to me like a good idea for riding my road bike because with a hat on, it doe snot matter how many vents I have. My head still drips sweat. I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. That's consistent between the two LBS I go to as well as what I see available mail order. I don't want to wear a mountain bike helmet while riding an expensive road bike, but I don't want to have to pay $250.00 for a relatively light and well-made helmet either. So what is it about having a visor that is so bad for a road bike helmet? I can understand that it makes it a little harder to see ahead with a visor when down in the drops, but is that the only issue? I saw an ad for a Bell Sweep helmet that is about $50.00 off retail, putting it down around $80.00. That looks like a good deal to me, but it has an optional visor, which must mean it is a mountain bike helmet. So is there any real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet besides the visor? Thanks. Ken The big difference is the visor. Other differences, if any, are minimal. And the optional visor doesn't mean it's a mountain bike helmet. If you don't like the visor, it just allows you to leave it off. Remember, any bike helmet sold in the U.S. must meet the CPSC standards, which are also pretty minimal. Essentially, it is supposed to keep linear head deceleration below 300 "gees" in a 14 mph linear impact. There's no testing regarding rotational acceleration, even though that's long been known to be much more predictive of brain damage. At their best, bike helmets are mostly token protection. What's not as well known is this: A more expensive, lighter, cooler helmet will be _less_ protective, more likely to _just barely_ pass the test. Cheaper ones are designed quickly, so they tend to be designed more conservatively, i.e. more protective, to avoid extra design and test time. This has been shown several times by Consumer Reports' helmet tests, although they reduce their findings to their trademarked colored dots, rather than giving numbers. I think it makes little sense to worry much about helmet style. Only a tiny portion of cyclists have an opinion on which helmet looks more "stylish," and there's little point in trying to impress them. And anyone who's a non-cyclist is never going to think of a bike helmet as good looking. (If they did, they'd wear one just walking around.) Face it, they all look goofy. If you really want to wear a helmet: find one that fits your head shape, and looks like it has enough air holes for you, and is in your budget. The cheaper the better. They all meet the same standards. Why not choose a stylish (to the owner) one? Do you buy ugly stuff? Are you asking Frank if he buys big ugly helmets? lol That applies to anything one buys. 'We need a couch, lets get the ugly one...'. I don't understand that. No, I don't either. Unless you're going for that retro look... Anyway, lots of road bike helmets have visors these days. My Giro has one. I wear a cap too but reversed. I use it to keep the sun off my thinning sic hair. A good pair of sun glasses takes care of the sunlight - I ride east to work in the morning and west home in the late afternoon. |
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On 8/27/2014 1:21 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Frank Krygowski schreef op 27-8-2014 6:30: On 8/27/2014 12:00 AM, OccasionalFlyer wrote: In shopping for a new helmet, it appears to me that the only real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet is that the latter has a visor/brim. That seems odd to me. I often ride early in the morning or late in the afternoon, at least in the summer. To keep the sun out of my eyes, I frequently wear a cycling cap under my helmet. Having a detachable visor seems to me like a good idea for riding my road bike because with a hat on, it doe snot matter how many vents I have. My head still drips sweat. I'm nothing near being a racer, so I don't need the top of the line road bike helmet, but I don't want the cheapest either. I'm looking for something around the $150.00 mark. It seems like I mostly find helmets with visors, mostly built-in, in this price range. That's consistent between the two LBS I go to as well as what I see available mail order. I don't want to wear a mountain bike helmet while riding an expensive road bike, but I don't want to have to pay $250.00 for a relatively light and well-made helmet either. So what is it about having a visor that is so bad for a road bike helmet? I can understand that it makes it a little harder to see ahead with a visor when down in the drops, but is that the only issue? I saw an ad for a Bell Sweep helmet that is about $50.00 off retail, putting it down around $80.00. That looks like a good deal to me, but it has an optional visor, which must mean it is a mountain bike helmet. So is there any real difference between a road bike helmet and a mountain bike helmet besides the visor? Thanks. Ken The big difference is the visor. Other differences, if any, are minimal. And the optional visor doesn't mean it's a mountain bike helmet. If you don't like the visor, it just allows you to leave it off. Remember, any bike helmet sold in the U.S. must meet the CPSC standards, which are also pretty minimal. Essentially, it is supposed to keep linear head deceleration below 300 "gees" in a 14 mph linear impact. There's no testing regarding rotational acceleration, even though that's long been known to be much more predictive of brain damage. At their best, bike helmets are mostly token protection. What's not as well known is this: A more expensive, lighter, cooler helmet will be _less_ protective, more likely to _just barely_ pass the test. Cheaper ones are designed quickly, so they tend to be designed more conservatively, i.e. more protective, to avoid extra design and test time. This has been shown several times by Consumer Reports' helmet tests, although they reduce their findings to their trademarked colored dots, rather than giving numbers. I think it makes little sense to worry much about helmet style. Only a tiny portion of cyclists have an opinion on which helmet looks more "stylish," and there's little point in trying to impress them. And anyone who's a non-cyclist is never going to think of a bike helmet as good looking. (If they did, they'd wear one just walking around.) Face it, they all look goofy. If you really want to wear a helmet: find one that fits your head shape, and looks like it has enough air holes for you, and is in your budget. The cheaper the better. They all meet the same standards. Why not choose a stylish (to the owner) one? Do you buy ugly stuff? Well, as I said, [I believe] only a tiny percentage of cyclists have an opinion on which helmet looks more "stylish." And a major portion of that percentage is little kids who want pink ones with flowers, or red ones with flames. ;-) We can discuss people's perceptions of style, I suppose. Provided nobody scolds us for being off topic, of course! But the only time I can remember hearing anyone compliment the looks of a helmet ("Hey! Nice helmets!") was a certain helmets-for-all promoter I know, who wanted to make some little kids feel better about being made to wear them. Those helmets did have flowers on them. Feel free to post links to those you think are good looking, though. - Frank Krygowski |
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