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"legal" definition of bicycle in CA
I think this has been discussed in the past, but I just wanted to bring up once again and ask the forum members' opinion on the following *actual* vehicle code which specifically defines a *bicycle*. This is mostly out of curiousity. If I read it correctly, an standard unicycle does *not* fit the legal description of a bicycle. It seems pretty black and white with no gray area, but just have a look at the code below, and tell me if you think a judge could rule that a unicycle, (in CA) would be subject to the same laws as a bike. I assume he would have to follow the letter of the law as it is stated. (The first paragraph below is someone's opinion) ' California' (http://tinyurl.com/2qog2o) In California a bicycle can have one wheel, *_but_ *it must also have gears, a belt, or a chain, which means that a standard unicycle is not a bicycle. From the "Words and Phrases Defined" division of the California Vehicle Code: (the following was read to me by a police officer over the phone, word for word as it appears below) 231. A bicycle is a device upon which any person may ride, propelled exclusively by human power__through_a_*belt,_chain,_or_gears,* and_having_one_or_more_wheels._ Persons riding bicycles are subject to the provisions of this code specified in Sections 21200 and 21200.5. This definition does include giraffe unicycles, however, which is unfortunate because elsewhere the law requires that bicycles be able to leave skid marks when braking. Whether multi-wheel unicycles (in which only one wheel touches the ground, but the wheels turn against each other to propel the bottom wheel) are bicycles is an open issue. * A rider on a standard unicycle appears to be a pedestrian.* Here is the definition of a pedestrian in California, again from the California Vehicle Code: 467. (a) A "pedestrian" is any person who is afoot or who is using a means of conveyance propelled by human power other than a bicycle. (b) "Pedestrian" includes any person who is operating a self-propelled wheelchair, invalid tricycle, or motorized quadricycle and, by reason of physical disability, is otherwise unable to move about as a pedestrian, as specified in subdivision (a). -- MuniAddict "On Earth it would be...12 noon" (Twilight zone episode, "To serve man.") My Videos: http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=ttt8699 My favorite FG clip: http://tinyurl.com/28847b ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MuniAddict's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/12920 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Why do you want to know? Are you trying to break the law? It is my understanding that a (non-chain driven) unicycle is not a bicycle under California law, and we unicyclists fall into the pedestrian category. Unicycling is so pedestrian? -- phlegm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ phlegm's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/8382 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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This whole definition thing is always so "iffy." There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law and some judges seem to switch back and forth between the two and their whim. According to 467(a) it seems that someone on a skateboard would be a pedestrian but we all know that there are specific exclusions for skateboards. Fortunately, unicycles will likely never be mainstream enough for anybody to bother with writing specific bits of law regarding them, which in turn will always give us at least a little wiggle room within the law. -- underdog 'I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different' - Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------------------------------------------------ underdog's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/6197 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Don't we encourage illiteracey when we encourage "legal definitions" that are illogical? By definition, a bicycle must have exactly two wheels. If they want to make laws that include all human powered cycles, they should use a term other than "bicycle" ...preaching to the choir....I know. -- mscalisi Unicycle for (reducing the) Buddha ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mscalisi's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/4961 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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"legal" definition of bicycle in CA
phlegm wrote: Why do you want to know? Are you trying to break the law? Either that or he's got a ticket that he's trying to fight. A LEO isn't going to listen to legalese... that's the judge's job. -- maestro8 Those are my principles. If you don't like those, I have others. -- Groucho Marx The only way to comprehend what mathematicians mean by Infinity is to contemplate the extent of human stupidity. -- François-Marie Arouet de Voltaire ------------------------------------------------------------------------ maestro8's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/7871 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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I guess, according to this definition, geared uni's would also be bicycles. Which would bring up a mess... A guy on a coker is not on a bike, but the person next to him on a geared 29er is... Which is why the letter of the law would probably fall apart in court... Or, if it didn't... any case that got any publicity at all would change the law. I've been tempted to do things that are not strictly prohibited... Ride on a goverment campus in town? Hrmmm... no bikes, no roller blades, no skateboards... nothing about unicycles... I'm fine! But I don't, cuz I know some government official will get his underwear in a bind, and I will have caused problems for every unicyclist in the area... Right now we can go either way... I could ride a 20" uni down a sidewalk and no one would say anything... I could ride a 36" uni down the side of the road and no one will say anything. Forcing the unicycle to be defined will hurt limit the freedom of one of those groups... My 2 cents anyway... -Keld -- Keldridge ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keldridge's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/14019 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Keldridge wrote: I could ride a 20" uni down a sidewalk and no one would say anything... That doesn't work everywhere. I had a cop tell me to not ride my 20" freestyle on one of the main streets in downtown Monterey, CA. I wasn't doing any tricks. I was just passing through to find somewhere I could. -- phlegm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ phlegm's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/8382 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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I don't know about California law, but I agree with Keldridge - I usually ride a 26x3" or a coker, and behave (and like to be treated) as if I'm riding a bike, albeit relatively slowly. I wouldn't want unicyclists to be strictly classed as pedestrians, or I couldn't ride half my journey to work or any other trip involving roads. But on the other hand if I'm just riding my 20" (which I very rarely do, but that's not the point), it's way too slow to feel safe on the road, and is much more suited to riding on the pavement (sidewalk). I think pushing the point that a unicycle is not a bike (to get out of a fine for riding a big wheel in a pedestrian area or inside a shop for example, to stay on topic) is risking getting us banned from riding on the road. Rob -- rob.northcott ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rob.northcott's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/7436 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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"legal" definition of bicycle in CA
Try taking a Giraffe on an airplane... There it ::*is*:: a bicycle and subject to the extra fee. now i take it apart and hide the peices...now it is \"not-a-bike\" -- Bondo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bondo's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/15716 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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A unicycle does not qualify as a pedestrian by your definition in 467. In "a" it says "other than a bicycle" but in "b" there is a clarification it says "and, by reason of physical disability, is otherwise unable to move about as a pedestrian"; I don't know how you could argue the physical disability required to use a unicycle rather than travel on foot. I don't think a unicycle is a bicycle or pedestrian by those definitions. The is probably another part of the code that covers rollerblades, heelys, skateboards etc. -- lauraz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ lauraz's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/15410 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/64333 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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