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Old February 27th 18, 03:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/27/2018 1:11 AM, Ned Mantei wrote:
On 26-02-18 21:34, Joerg wrote:
My experience is the opposite. Horses leave their poop all over but
that ain't so bad.



I agree. Horse droppings dry quickly, leaving only something like hay
fragments on the ground.


I saw no horses all day on Saturday, but lots of nice moist horse
droppings. Maybe it's the fog that comes in at the coast that keeps
things messy.

In any case, public parks should be for self-powered activities.
Equestrians can ride on private land and mess that up as much as they want.
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Old February 27th 18, 06:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-02-26 17:40, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 12:34:50 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-02-26 08:58, sms wrote:


[...]


Time to ban horses in parks. They leave a mess and they destroy
the trails.



My experience is the opposite. Horses leave their poop all over but
that ain't so bad. Cyclists are too often the inconsiderate folks.
They rattle down a steep trail section with the rear tire locked,
spewing rocks and dirt everywhere. They chuck water bottles and
then after a flat fix they leave the nasty CO2 cartridges just
where they dropped them. Those are everywhere, even in the middle
of bike lanes. I had a few front wheel sideways jolts because of
them.


I would rather cope with an errant C02 cartridge (which I would pick
up) than a heap of steaming horse **** (which I would not pick up).
Horses are often harder on trails than MTBs, except in Folsom.
https://insuremekevin.com/mountain-b...n-granite-bay/
You are a bad person!


Not me but I have seen plenty of riders doing that. Sliding through
curves with the dirt spattering everywhere.


I haven't seen a CO2 cartridge in the wild, although I don't doubt
slobs drop them. Slobs drop basically everything.


Then there must be a lot of slobs, especially among road bikers.


As a hiker, I don't like being passed by fast moving MTBs, but then
again, I don't like giant horses either -- or dogs for that matter. I
like pedestrian only trails. I'm told that multi-use trails can work
-- but I'll let my MTB friends fight that fight.


IME they work well. Horses are magnificent animals and I also like dogs.
So much that when riding into the valley I take a little detour to see
Irish, a lab-chow mix who hangs out in a backyard when his owners are at
work. At first he behaves like a prince who can't be bothered. Later
after a lot of ear and belly rubs he gets quite upset when I tell him
that I now have to leave for some errands.

On the local singletrack we sometimes have hunting dogs that take
themselves on walks. Those are a bit shy but nice. I carry a small leash
at all times in case I find a runaway, which I have. Including a goat.

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Old February 27th 18, 06:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-02-26 18:15, sms wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:34 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-02-26 08:58, sms wrote:
I hate it when someone says "wow, I haven't seen skis/bikes/etc. like
that in a long time."

Yesterday went mountain biking in Wilder Ranch State Park north of Santa
Cruz http://oi66.tinypic.com/24y2x78.jpg.

I rode, my wife mostly walked her bike, a lovely 27.5er that she got
more than a year ago but had not yet ridden. For someone who barrels
down ski slopes, the same lack of fear did not translate to single
track.

Waiting at one trail junction, someone commented, "wow you get extra
credit for doing this ride on an historic mountain bike."
http://www.mtbr.com/product/bikes/xc-hardtail/marin/bear-valley.html.


I see plenty of 26" MTB on trails. AFAIK most downhill bikes are 26".
However, rim brakes are really a thing of the past on MTB, and good
riddance to those.


I did install disc brakes on my 26"er Marin Bear Valley. It was all
prepped for discs.


It's one of the best things you can do for a bike. Makes it a true
all-weather machine.


After switching from 26" to 29" my confidence level on gnarlier trails
went way up. Initially a bit too much and one OTB event brought me
back in line.


Do they also increase traction on steep sections. There were areas where
my gearing was low enough, but I could not get traction to go up.


Yes, and they can also be worn down farther without much traction penalty.


Time to ban horses in parks. They leave a mess and they destroy the
trails.



My experience is the opposite. Horses leave their poop all over but
that ain't so bad. Cyclists are too often the inconsiderate folks.
They rattle down a steep trail section with the rear tire locked,
spewing rocks and dirt everywhere. They chuck water bottles and then
after a flat fix they leave the nasty CO2 cartridges just where they
dropped them. Those are everywhere, even in the middle of bike lanes.
I had a few front wheel sideways jolts because of them.


What I see is that when the park has a sign saying "trails closed when
wet" the mountain bikers comply because it's hard to ride in mud, but
equestrians go right ahead and leave big holes from hooves when the mud
dries. I saw no ruts from bike tires but lots of holes from hooves.



Then ride some trails out here. There are deep MTB ruts because many
riders here go no matter what. I find MTB riding on muddy trails fun,
when the bike is slightly sideways most of the time. It's like being
allowed to be a kid again for a few hours.

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Old February 27th 18, 06:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-02-27 07:55, sms wrote:
On 2/27/2018 1:11 AM, Ned Mantei wrote:
On 26-02-18 21:34, Joerg wrote:
My experience is the opposite. Horses leave their poop all over but
that ain't so bad.



I agree. Horse droppings dry quickly, leaving only something like hay
fragments on the ground.


I saw no horses all day on Saturday, but lots of nice moist horse
droppings. Maybe it's the fog that comes in at the coast that keeps
things messy.

In any case, public parks should be for self-powered activities.
Equestrians can ride on private land and mess that up as much as they want.



Horses with riders on them were here well before any vehicles, back in
the days when only Native Americans roamed the West. We shall not take
their rights away just because it is now perceived as inconvenient.

--
Regards, Joerg

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Old February 27th 18, 06:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/27/2018 12:22 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-02-27 07:55, sms wrote:
On 2/27/2018 1:11 AM, Ned Mantei wrote:
On 26-02-18 21:34, Joerg wrote:
My experience is the opposite. Horses leave their poop
all over but
that ain't so bad.


I agree. Horse droppings dry quickly, leaving only
something like hay
fragments on the ground.


I saw no horses all day on Saturday, but lots of nice
moist horse
droppings. Maybe it's the fog that comes in at the coast
that keeps
things messy.

In any case, public parks should be for self-powered
activities.
Equestrians can ride on private land and mess that up as
much as they want.



Horses with riders on them were here well before any
vehicles, back in the days when only Native Americans roamed
the West. We shall not take their rights away just because
it is now perceived as inconvenient.


Only after 1500, horses being an 'invasive species'. They're
a Eurasian import like pigs & cattle.

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Old February 27th 18, 06:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-02-27 10:41, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/27/2018 12:22 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-02-27 07:55, sms wrote:
On 2/27/2018 1:11 AM, Ned Mantei wrote:
On 26-02-18 21:34, Joerg wrote:
My experience is the opposite. Horses leave their poop
all over but
that ain't so bad.


I agree. Horse droppings dry quickly, leaving only
something like hay
fragments on the ground.

I saw no horses all day on Saturday, but lots of nice
moist horse
droppings. Maybe it's the fog that comes in at the coast
that keeps
things messy.

In any case, public parks should be for self-powered
activities.
Equestrians can ride on private land and mess that up as
much as they want.



Horses with riders on them were here well before any
vehicles, back in the days when only Native Americans roamed
the West. We shall not take their rights away just because
it is now perceived as inconvenient.


Only after 1500, horses being an 'invasive species'. They're a Eurasian
import like pigs & cattle.


Sure, but neither MTB nor dirt bikes had been invented by then so horses
were first. By a huge margin.

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Old February 27th 18, 06:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:22:08 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-02-27 07:55, sms wrote:
On 2/27/2018 1:11 AM, Ned Mantei wrote:
On 26-02-18 21:34, Joerg wrote:
My experience is the opposite. Horses leave their poop all over but
that ain't so bad.


I agree. Horse droppings dry quickly, leaving only something like hay
fragments on the ground.


I saw no horses all day on Saturday, but lots of nice moist horse
droppings. Maybe it's the fog that comes in at the coast that keeps
things messy.

In any case, public parks should be for self-powered activities.
Equestrians can ride on private land and mess that up as much as they want.



Horses with riders on them were here well before any vehicles, back in
the days when only Native Americans roamed the West. We shall not take
their rights away just because it is now perceived as inconvenient.


Horses were introduced by the Spaniards. Prehistoric horses were long gone and never ridden by native peoples. The Clovis hunted and ate prehistoric horses, which is the natural order of things. We should return to the natural order, hunting and eating horses. Mmmmmmmmm. Horse. More cheese and onions, please! They're a vector and a pest in large parts of the west. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/25/o...st-horses.html

I don't see any place for horses on popular public forest trails or unleashed dogs -- one of which nearly tackled my wife, who is not as robust as she once was. There are far, far too many dogs in the world. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7878086.html It used to be that people had a dog. Now they have four. There is this bizarre, sappy view of pets as a mandate. http://www..leoketel.com/wp-content/..._Billboard.jpg I see these billboards all the time. WTF? My soulmate is a cat?

-- Jay Beattie.


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Old February 27th 18, 07:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/27/2018 10:22 AM, Joerg wrote:

snip

Horses with riders on them were here well before any vehicles, back in
the days when only Native Americans roamed the West. We shall not take
their rights away just because it is now perceived as inconvenient.


Who was here first is immaterial.

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Old February 27th 18, 08:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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I see this tire all the time, the "old" 650B,
if you count that as "26" and I don't see why
ever not?

40-584 26x1-1/2 650x35B

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Old February 27th 18, 09:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/27/2018 1:59 PM, jbeattie wrote:

I don't see any place for horses on popular public forest trails or unleashed dogs -- one of which nearly tackled my wife, who is not as robust as she once was. There are far, far too many dogs in the world.


"A well-trained dog is a joy and a delight. An untrained dog is a damned
nuisance. Most dogs are untrained." - Stewart Brand

Within the last two days:

A) on my mountain bike, I thought I would get run into by a large dog
running illegally off-leash in our local forest preserve. The owner
didn't hear me coming because she was yakking on her cell phone. She
apologized, but continued allowing her dogs to run.

B) Our very nice neighbors' micro-dog has yapped loudly when it saw me
outside. It also yapped loudly when it didn't see me outside, because it
yaps incredibly loudly any time anything catches its attention. That's
true even at 7 AM.

C) I spent some time with a very sweet, intelligent Golden Retriever at
a friend's house. But that young dog is still too excitable to be
trusted not to jump on guests. Hopefully it will calm down as it matures.

I've known a very few very nice dogs. I've known a few tolerable dogs.
I've known or encountered hundreds of obnoxious dogs. Unless a person
lives in the country and hunts, farms or runs a ranch, I don't see the
attraction.

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