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Tom Schulenburg wrote:
"zeno" wrote in message news:3F1C1AA4.5000005@c- ... David N. Welton wrote: Ullrich, of all people. He dumped Armstrong, who is fighting his way back. Looks to be a good one today! IMO, Jan's attack on Tourmalet was a mistake. He and his team did just about all the work yesterday and today he blew a lot of E on the Tourmalet -- pointlessly. Lance is a much better desender than Jan. Say Jan picked up 30-seconds on that climb by the top. Lance could have got all that back on the long decent. When they got to the steep part going up to Luz, where Lance has a natural advantage anyway over Jan, Jan could not fend off his attack because Jan had spent more on the Tourmalet and on the previous day. Lance was only getting stronger. If Jan had simply marked Lance on the Tourmalet or just pushed the pace to wear lance down, he would not have spent so much E by the time they got to the Luz climb. He could have handled Lance's attack on the steep better and possibly caught or even passed him when the mountain eased off towards the top. Worst case, if they were even at the finish, Jan would still be only 15 seconds down going into the final time trial. Now it's over a minute and Lance has the psychological momentum. Bad tactics. Zeno It's no secret that Lance has been struggling. The idea is to get him to crack and gain big time. Even if Lance catches up on the decent, Ullrich attacks again until Lance can't respond. Why would Jan give Lance an easy ride up to the last climb where Lance can limit his losses? -T ' Setting a huge pace by one of Urlichs teamates might have made sense. It also might have made sense for Urlich to attack and then slow... An attack by a rider like Vino who needs a lot of time might have made sense as well. Lance could easily make up 30-40 seconds on the downhill. So Urlich needed more than that and he was never getting it. The attack that Jan made was one that would have been more natural for Lance to make. If i were Jan I would have been happy with 15-30 seconds deficit going into the itt. -- -------------------------- Posted via cyclingforums.com http://www.cyclingforums.com |
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zeno wrote: Yeah, but Jan was expending a lot more energy to do that than Lance (look at the video) and came away with nothing to show for it. It's not about energy -- that is mostly Mgh. It's more about what fraction of the energy is anaerobic, which has a high metabolic cost. Accelerations take one above lactate threshold, which takes its toll. |
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"lazysegall" wrote in message ... Tom Schulenburg wrote: "zeno" wrote in message news:3F1C1AA4.5000005@c- ... David N. Welton wrote: Ullrich, of all people. He dumped Armstrong, who is fighting his way back. Looks to be a good one today! IMO, Jan's attack on Tourmalet was a mistake. He and his team did just about all the work yesterday and today he blew a lot of E on the Tourmalet -- pointlessly. Lance is a much better desender than Jan. Say Jan picked up 30-seconds on that climb by the top. Lance could have got all that back on the long decent. When they got to the steep part going up to Luz, where Lance has a natural advantage anyway over Jan, Jan could not fend off his attack because Jan had spent more on the Tourmalet and on the previous day. Lance was only getting stronger. If Jan had simply marked Lance on the Tourmalet or just pushed the pace to wear lance down, he would not have spent so much E by the time they got to the Luz climb. He could have handled Lance's attack on the steep better and possibly caught or even passed him when the mountain eased off towards the top. Worst case, if they were even at the finish, Jan would still be only 15 seconds down going into the final time trial. Now it's over a minute and Lance has the psychological momentum. Bad tactics. Zeno It's no secret that Lance has been struggling. The idea is to get him to crack and gain big time. Even if Lance catches up on the decent, Ullrich attacks again until Lance can't respond. Why would Jan give Lance an easy ride up to the last climb where Lance can limit his losses? -T ' Setting a huge pace by one of Urlichs teamates might have made sense. It also might have made sense for Urlich to attack and then slow... An attack by a rider like Vino who needs a lot of time might have made sense as well. Lance could easily make up 30-40 seconds on the downhill. So Urlich needed more than that and he was never getting it. The attack that Jan made was one that would have been more natural for Lance to make. If i were Jan I would have been happy with 15-30 seconds deficit going into the itt. Yes, Botero should have been there with U l l rich. -- -------------------------- Posted via cyclingforums.com http://www.cyclingforums.com |
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zeno wrote:
Lance knew he could take it all back on the descent without expending much E to do it. (It takes a lot more E to gain 30 seconds on a climb than it does to take it back going down hill.) So, IMO, the chances of Jan gaining anything in terms of either time on Lance or causing him to blow up chasing were slim in this situation. Instead, Jan used more energy, gained nothing, and suffered on the way up to Luz because Lance was fresher and getting his legs back. Zeno It makes sense - somewhat - if you assume that Jan guessed that LANCE was still suffering. If LANCE wasn't so far on the rebound, Jan might have gained a separation he could use. Not very likely, but certainly possible. -- -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine. |
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In article , Raptor wrote:
zeno wrote: Lance knew he could take it all back on the descent without expending much E to do it. (It takes a lot more E to gain 30 seconds on a climb than it does to take it back going down hill.) So, IMO, the chances of Jan gaining anything in terms of either time on Lance or causing him to blow up chasing were slim in this situation. Instead, Jan used more energy, gained nothing, and suffered on the way up to Luz because Lance was fresher and getting his legs back. Zeno It makes sense - somewhat - if you assume that Jan guessed that LANCE was still suffering. If LANCE wasn't so far on the rebound, Jan might have gained a separation he could use. Not very likely, but certainly possible. That's what I thought and what I meant by, he was testing Lance. It's not hard for Ullrich to get the little gap he got and then he's not working any harder than Lance when Lance is slowly catching him. Haven't y'all ever heard of exploratory attacks? Happens all the time near the beginning of races. Do a little attack and see how people respond to get an indication how they might respond later during your real attack. It's also a means to see how you are feeling on the day or at that moment. -WG |
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