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Jipped at Snowshoe (24 hrs of..that is)
"Nate" wrote in message
om... Ah yes. Once again it was time for the 24 hours of Snowshoe. Mud, roots and pain. I love this race. And this year was no exception, however.... I organized a team to race Co-ed pro/am but decided to jump over to 5 person open since there was no competition in pro/am. Pam and I had never ridden with any other riders on this years team, so we wondered what we were in for. Everyone seemed to be pretty fast, or so they said : ) I had noticed a few days before the race that a team racing under the name West Virginia Homegrown had raced in the Expert Class the previous year (named Hammerheads) and finished 4th out of 23 teams. This year they had the same team plus one guy's wife. In the 5 person open, your team may have 1 expert male (no more), at least 1 female, and any other males must be sport riders. So I e-mailed Laird Knight of this situation. The response was: We will bring this to their attention. At the race, the course was actually quite dry this year and more rideable for many. We entered our team under the name Pray for Rain, mainly to **** off those with no sense of humor. During the race, things went as good as could be expected. We had one very fast rider, myself and another guy were about the same speed, and my g/f Pam and another very fast woman. Our mechanic swapped the rear wheel between my bike and Pam's each lap, (I trashed my crossmax the week before) and swapped eggbeaters between the other rider's bikes as Stuart's broke right before his lap. Our second lady was putting on make-up before her laps as if to hook up with some stud on the trail. She showed up to her first lap without her scan-in card but with some other team's baton!?!?! WTF??? She put out fast lap times, so I didn't care about anything else. During the race, the W.Va. Homegrown team was in the lead (of our class) the whole race. No surprise there. So during the last hour of the race, I personally found Laird and talked to him about the sandbagging situation. He told me that the team right behind us in 3rd was going to protest the Homegrown team until they found out they too could be DQ'd for sand bagging, so they withdrew their protest. So I paid the $50 and put in the protest against W.Va. Homegrown. Laird said to make it fair, I may as well file a protest against the 3rd place team too. Even though they weren't beating us, I figured it was only fair. After talking to the other teams under protest, Laird was somewhat feeling guilty for not doing something about this situation before the race, so the Homegrown team could at least switch classes or modify their team. So after lots of controversy, (and the Homegrown team protesting us) Laird decided to keep the final results as final. Laird knew he screwed up pretty bad and decided to give our team extra prizes to try to quell our anger. He even offered to refund our team's entry fee, but I felt that was too much -- I can be a softy sometimes. We know Laird and Elizabeth and didn't want to be complete jerks about the situation... At the podium, Laird apologized for the situation involving the 5 person open category to the crowd. We shook hands with the 3rd place team and took our spot on 2nd place. When W.Va. Homegrown was called up, mutterings of "sandbaggers" and the such were heard around. Only 2 of their riders shook our hands before hopping onto the podium. Their team was told to consider themselves experts in the future. Even though the ending results were jacked, we all had a good race and some fun to boot. For all those who skipped out this year for fear of too much unrideable mud, you guys missed out. And believe me, there were still plenty of slick technical sections for the sickos (myself included) who like it hard. If I am still here come next year, Pam and I will surely be there again. Damn, this is a great race. Cool race report. What's sandbagging? And what exactly did they do wrong again? They had more than one expert? -- Phil, Squid-in-Training |
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Jipped at Snowshoe (24 hrs of..that is)
Cool race report. What's sandbagging? And what exactly did they do wrong
again? They had more than one expert? -- Phil, Squid-in-Training Sandbagging = Racing in a division that you're too good for when you should be in the next division (or two) up. -- Slacker |
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big snip
Sandbagging really sucks. A few years ago some buddies and I entered a 12 hour race in GA as beginners. We were all borderline beginner/sport riders but none of us had ever done a multi hour event so we figured beginner class would be about right. We had an unusually good race (no mishaps whatsoever) on a day were it seemed everyone else was having problems. We ended pounding the entire beginner *and* sport class, and actually placed in the top 5 of the experts. We felt really guilty about it and everyone was calling us sandbaggers. We even tried to get the race organizers to move us up to expert class with no luck. Anyway, I don't know how someone could do it intentionally. We all felt like we were ruining everyone elses race and it really made it hard for us to enjoy the otherwise fun race. |
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Slacker wrote:
Cool race report. What's sandbagging? And what exactly did they do wrong again? They had more than one expert? -- Phil, Squid-in-Training Sandbagging = Racing in a division that you're too good for when you should be in the next division (or two) up. In flyball, we handle that situation by establishing a breakout time based on the seed times submitted by each team. Once the divisions are sorted out, the breakout time for each division is set at one second faster than the fastest seed time submitted for that division. If your team runs faster than that, you lose that heat (and any title points you might have earned). Do it three times in a day and your team is automatically DQ'ed from placement in your division. Only in division 1 - the fastest division - is there no breakout time. If you do a bad job of calculating your seed times, or have to sub in a faster dog, you wind up having to hold your passes to avoid breaking out. Not only is it not fun, it's really hard to do, as the dogs will speed up to try to make up for your slow releases (yes, they know it's a race). So I assume that there's nothing like a "breakout" provision in 24 hour races? Kathleen |
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Jipped at Snowshoe (24 hrs of..that is)
out. Not only is it not fun, it's really hard to do, as the dogs will
speed up to try to make up for your slow releases (yes, they know it's a race). Flyball? Dog racing? Sledding? What is it? -- Phil, Squid-in-Training |
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Anyway, I don't know how someone could do it intentionally. We all felt
like we were ruining everyone elses race and it really made it hard for us to enjoy the otherwise fun race. To solve the problem, everyone should enter expert. -- Phil, Squid-in-Training |
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"Slacker" wrote:
What's sandbagging? And what exactly did they do wrong again? They had more than one expert? Sandbagging = Racing in a division that you're too good for when you should be in the next division (or two) up. The term sandbagging comes from road racing. As I've heard it, the idea is for two elite riders to enter a race in a too-low category. They draw straws to see who the winner will be and agree to split the winnings. When they show up to the race, they don't know each other--or even pretend to be old enemies who are likely to have a fist fight. The one who is supposed to win takes the lead immediately. The other one situates himself right in front of the pack of the remaining racers. Into every corner he jams on his brakes, forcing the whole pack to slow down as slow as he does. But he uses his superior sprinting skills to shoot off out of the corners, keeping anybody from passing him (because he's really fast enough to just drop the whole group and chase after his secret buddy, who's off the front). He acts like a sandbag, keeping the pack from having any chance of catching the guy out front. Strategies like that don't really pan out in off-road racing, so the term is simply used to refer to somebody who enters a too-easy category to collect more prizes, boost his self-esteem, or simply prove he's an asshole. -- Tom Purvis Salida, CO - http://www.arkansasvalley.net/tpurvis/ |
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Phil, Squid-in-Training wrote:
Anyway, I don't know how someone could do it intentionally. We all felt like we were ruining everyone elses race and it really made it hard for us to enjoy the otherwise fun race. To solve the problem, everyone should enter expert. Or just don't give out prizes, race for fun. |
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Team BFD says:
The term sandbagging comes from road racing. BS - the term comes from sailing, where a sandbag hidden under the deck gives you more stability (assuming you remember to switch it to the other side when you tack) and therefore you win the race due to superior speed. The idea was so popular that a class of boats called "Sandbaggers" was created and raced in the mid-1800's, mostly around NY and NJ, using up to a half-ton of sand in bags that had to be shifted each tack. .. For those of you who have been to South Street Seaport, there should be one sitting on the dock somewhere, called "Sandy", IIRC, unless they have allowed it to rot away again. Steve |
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